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Just because he didn't cause it doesn't mean it's not a Biden issue. There is historical precident for the president to ignore the supreme court, expand it, etc. Especially after the McConnell and Trump fuckery. He did nothing, that's on him.
Let’s say Roosevelt comes back from the dead and is magically. elected POTUS and the first thing he does is nominates 3 liberal justices to add to the SCOTUS do you think Manchin and Senima and Tester and like 10 other Senate institutionalist would vote to confirm? The reason a lot of the liberal agenda stalls out isn’t because of Biden. He isn’t the road block. If he pushed harder sadly he would just lose more often.
 
I don't mean this as an attack, but that's a very privileged position for many of us to have. Sure Trump's rhetoric was a daily dose of anxiety, but under Biden abortion rights disappeared, right wing dismantling of education is everywhere, LGBTQ rights are not only rolling back but they're being criminalized, major war in Europe, major war in Middle East, worse income inequality than before, environmental protections being dismantled and zero substantive action on climate change, mainstreaming anti-immigration and mass deportation policies in the Democratic party while abandoning the promises made to DREAMERs, not dealing with the student loan crisis, defunding the humanities, alienated Muslim Americans. And sure that all probably would have been even worse under Trump, but for a lot of people it's not better and their daily anxiety with Biden is just as bad.
All of this is just a continuation of Trump though. It would have been so much worse if Trump stayed in office or worse had been successful in his insurrection
 
Let’s say Roosevelt comes back from the dead and is magically. elected POTUS and the first thing he does is nominates 3 liberal justices to add to the SCOTUS do you think Manchin and Senima and Tester and like 10 other Senate institutionalist would vote to confirm? The reason a lot of the liberal agenda stalls out isn’t because of Biden. He isn’t the road block. If he pushed harder sadly he would just lose more often.
Then he's not a very good negotiator
 
My comment above covers some of this, so sorry for the repeat. But it's not that Biden "did" all of these, most happened while he was president because of other things already in motion. But he very much did not fight publicly or try nearly anything to stop most of them. He fails as a check on the Judicial and Legislative branch. Post-Trump you (Biden, not you) can not put your head in the sand and pretend that business as usual is going to work. It won't, it hasn't, and he's refused to strengthen the institutions to prevent it from getting worse. He's enabled the slide into the quagmire we find ourselves in.
Yeah this issue is that the checks and balances thing works both ways; the difference is one party is “handicapped” by actually working within the institutions for change while the other is all for straight dictatorship as long as they get their way. Anything that Biden would do to strengthen the executive branch now would only be taken advantage of the next time that a GOP demagogue was elected president.
 
Then he's not a very good negotiator
Who would be? That person doesn’t exist. Literally, nothing happened and Siennema left the party. If he pushed hard enough Manchin would have been right behind her. The most charismatic and intelligent presidents within my lifetime were Clinton and Obama neither were able to radically shift things. It’s just not how this Country works sadly. I am all for fixing or correcting these issue in hopes of having a more representative liberal democracy but any shortcuts taken today is going to only hasten the fall into shit the next time a sociopath is elected president.
 
Yeah this issue is that the checks and balances thing works both ways; the difference is one party is “handicapped” by actually working within the institutions for change while the other is all for straight dictatorship as long as they get their way. Anything that Biden would do to strengthen the executive branch now would only be taken advantage of the next time that a GOP demagogue was elected president.
So we just wait until they do it themselves and get nothing out of it?
 
The best scenario is Biden wins reelection. The Right gives up on MAGA, Trump dies, and Clarence Thomas and/or Aleto kick the bucket. Then you have another 4 years of demographic shift along with some people under retirement age run for President and the Senate. Maybe things can start moving in a progressive direction.
 
The best scenario is Biden wins reelection. The Right gives up on MAGA, Trump dies, and Clarence Thomas and/or Aleto kick the bucket. Then you have another 4 years of demographic shift along with some people under retirement age run for President and the Senate. Maybe things can start moving in a progressive direction.
That's some pretty far-out magical thinking!
 
So we just wait until they do it themselves and get nothing out of it?
No, push! Everyone should push hard for radical change but they should also be realistic about what that change actually looks like and how long it takes to actually effect their everyday lives. It’s much easier to slide back down a hill than to climb up it. We all get disillusioned when things don’t change radically and immediately many have struggled much longer and harder than I will ever to get the places we have gotten to only recently and the struggle is far from over but if you want to make things better you have to power through the bullshit (this election) so we have a shot at something better for everyone down the road.
 
My comment above covers some of this, so sorry for the repeat. But it's not that Biden "did" all of these, most happened while he was president because of other things already in motion. But he very much did not fight publicly or try nearly anything to stop most of them. He fails as a check on the Judicial and Legislative branch. Post-Trump you (Biden, not you) can not put your head in the sand and pretend that business as usual is going to work. It won't, it hasn't, and he's refused to strengthen the institutions to prevent it from getting worse. He's enabled the slide into the quagmire we find ourselves in.
The only time Biden has really put his foot on the gas was to (twice) unilaterally bypass congress to send more of our tax dollars to arm an ongoing genocide, but when it comes to healthcare, student loans, abortion, sorry I'm totally powerless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Absolutely. But you don't meet that with milquetoast.
Yea, Trump policies continuing under Biden is the exact opposite of an endorsement/good excuse. People raged about Trump's treatment of migrants at the border, and stuff like that has just continued on as usual.
 
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The only time Biden has really put his foot on the gas was to (twice) unilaterally bypassing congress to send more of our tax dollars to arm an ongoing genocide, but when it comes to healthcare, student loans, abortion, sorry I'm totally powerless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Yea, Trump policies continuing under Biden is the exact opposite of an endorsement/good excuse. People raged about Trump's treatment of migrants at the border, and stuff like that has just continued on as usual.
Things get worse a lot faster than they get better.
 
Here's our ongoing, yet ramped up, problem over the last 8 years.
  • Being complacent in 2016
    • He'll never win
  • Both parties are to blame for the current state of our country
    • One has thrown the rule book out the window and is ok with it
    • The other is "pretending" to play by the rules
In the end, they're both too old, we need to add a new qualification to many government positions concerning age and term........if we get the chance. We are perpetually in a "choosing the lesser evil" choice every 4 years, the problem, after this happening for as long as it has, the gap between the two choices have become scarier, darker and terrifying.

The Right has lost their mind and gone full in on taking over forever.
The Left needs to grow a pair if they truly are fighting for democracy. A fight is not a subtle push back, it's an all out assault matching, if not surpassing your opponents push. If the Right succeeds, its in spite of their stupidity. If they learned a little about law, procedure and didn't just act like a bunch of bulls in a China shop, this would have been over in 2020 and they'd be sitting in the new United States of Trump...........you know he wants his name blazing over everything.

But the Dems need to stop leaning on being the adults in the room, assuming that's all it takes.

Lastly, both sides put all their chips in on the law solving their problems, even as of right now. They're hoping that Trump gets convicted of something, anything, that derails this whole thing and they have an easy out..................do you have enough faith in our justice system for this to happen? I think there's a better chance of Trump or Biden to drop dead.

Joe isn't the solution, he's what we needed at the moment, but, as many have said, the alternative will truly send this country into a tail spin that it won't recover from in my lifetime and it saddens me thinking of what our young adults and children with have to deal with.

................where's the Tylenol? 😑
 
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