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Can't say that I'm all that surprised at these findings.

A new study has found that drivers of flashy vehicles are less likely to stop and allow pedestrians to cross the road -- with the likelihood they'll slow down decreasing by 3% for every extra $1,000 that their vehicle is worth.

Researchers from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas speculated that the expensive car owners "felt a sense of superiority over other road users" and were less able to empathize with lowly sidewalk-dwellers.
 

Court says Trump Administration can withhold federal money from the 7 States in which that have "sanctuary cities". New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and Rhode Island.
 

Also apparently the Super Bowl Halftime Show was to sexually suggestive for many conservatives. More than 1,300 complaints were filed with the FCC.


What they missed Sabado Gigante when it was on the air?
 
I'd be curious what the people here who are luke-warm to Sanders were thinking during this interaction:

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I’m not luke warm in sanders. I voted for him in the CA primary. I will say this about this interaction. Sanders message and the way he delivers it is powerful. It’s simple and he speaks with authority. It cuts through Pete. It was Sanders’ time to speak so it was a rude for Pete to attempt to speak over him. He fumbled and his statement were too complex to cut through.

What Sanders is proposing is a big change, but is it radical? Well look at all the nations that have universal healthcare across the world. Are the countries radical? Are they failing? I just don’t buy the sky is falling attitude that mainstream democrats and conservatives take.

Should there be criticism of universal healthcare systems? Of course, that’s how you improve them. But criticism has to valid, in good faith, and backed by data.
 
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Pete just wanted to try and derail Sanders and failed miserably. This election, like most, is so full of "attention getting verbiage", radical, a lot of people hear that without context, but the negative connotation is what sticks. I hope people actually do their own homework this time around and vote for, whoever, based on a realistic picture of who they are and what they represent.
 
Speaking of Pete,

I'm seeing his supporters all over Boston. They are everywhere. I have only seen one Bernie supporter and zero supporters for any other candidates over the last couple weeks.

They are standing out on street corners with Pete signs and wanting to talk to you.

Wonder why his base is out with force.
 
Yeah, this seemed to me to just be a case of Pete trying to seize on being addressed directly in order to minimize Sanders’ speaking time and maximize his own, whether he had a direct response ready to go or not. That just seems like Primary Debate 101: any time you aren’t speaking, someone else has a chance to spread their message or attack you, so you need to look for opportunities to wrest control of the stage and pivot to your own message. I guess I’m not sure what about this exchange you found notable with respect to Sanders skeptics in particular, @DownIsTheNewUp ?

Also I’m not sure I hear the phrase “by Luddite standards” being said by Pete in the video, but it’s hard to tell. Is that a phrase he uses? If so, I’m not sure what it’s supposed to mean in that context.

That was more debate than I've watched since....maybe ever. I personally don't understand why the exchange is significant and I'm not sure how anyone who was watching live could even understand anything anyone was saying because they were just shouting over one another.

Bernie seemed more coherent and reading the text quote for Pete didn't make much sense...particularly the luddite comment. Either Pete doesn't know what luddite means or was trying to make some very nuanced and circuitous argument that Bernie is a commie and we will be plunged into the dark ages by his policies.... which no one would've been able to understand. The whole thing seemed pointless.

Klobuchar's comments afterwards were more resonant and while Bernie's retort was very good I think pointing on how different and expensive Bernie's policies are is something that matters to people here in MN at least. I mean this is a place where people won't zipper merge on the highway because they would rather wait in a longer line than be different and risk offending a stranger in another vehicle.

As I've said many times it's an easy leap from socialist principles to communism for many Americans. It's narrow and short-sighted thinking but it's maybe the easy thinking, especially for middle and older aged Americans who were hiding under their desks or going through bomb shelter drills in elementary school. The conditioning leading to the fear is real, which is why the attacks on Bernie follow that path. Those older voters vote consistently. They turn out and at some point whomever the candidate is they're going o have to find a way to get those people comfortable enough to not turn out for the status quo.

I've barely been able to follow anything this week but I've read a little bit on the Russia for Bernie news that has been leaking out and it's a little bit fascinating that it's less of a story than it could be and I think will be come general election time.

It's ridiculous to think that any candidate isn't flawed, and Bernie has some warts that are going to continue to be exposed. I doubt those warts matter much to younger folks and I think those warts could matter a lot to older folks and moderate suburban white people.
 
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Pete just wanted to try and derail Sanders and failed miserably. This election, like most, is so full of "attention getting verbiage", radical, a lot of people hear that without context, but the negative connotation is what sticks. I hope people actually do their own homework this time around and vote for, whoever, based on a realistic picture of who they are and what they represent.
Yeah, it would bother me but recalling all the BS they laid on Obama in 2008 and voters saw through all of that. I am sure they are going to toss everything but the kitchen sink at Bernie if he’s nominated too. Hopefully, voters will see through that too.
 
As I've said many times it's an easy leap from socialist principles to communism for many Americans. It's narrow and short-sighted thinking but it's maybe the easy thinking, especially for middle and older aged Americans who were hiding under their desks or going through bomb shelter drills in elementary school. The conditioning leading to the fear is real, which is why the attacks on Bernie follow that path. Those older votes vote consistently. They turn out and at some point whomever the candidate is they're going o have to find a way to get those people comfortable enough to not turn out for the status quo.


I know that this is the generally accepted narrative, but has anyone attempted to measure this? What slice of the population has these attitudes? How many would be willing to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate opposing Trump?
 
I know that this is the generally accepted narrative, but has anyone attempted to measure this? What slice of the population has these attitudes? How many would be willing to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate opposing Trump?
Gallup kinda polled about this earlier this month
 
I know that this is the generally accepted narrative, but has anyone attempted to measure this? What slice of the population has these attitudes? How many would be willing to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate opposing Trump?

How do you measure a narrative? Polling?
BUT any survey data is less than ideal and some of it is downright not useful depending on the questions and the population surveyed.

I can only speak form my experience and opinions. I'm also assuming that there is good reason that the line of attack on social principles and Bernie specifically, is about stoking these fears.

As far as my experience. I've been called a communist more times than I care to count because I advocate for things like social medicine, renters rights, and disbarment of the police union. Many times people are joking but it's the kind-of joking where they 3/4 of the way mean it.
 
Gallup kinda polled about this earlier this month

I really wish there was more support for Socialism.

We really need more of it to a degree to solve the problems Capitalism have created.
 
Oh yeah, and also yesterday there were protesters out on the streets in Boston protesting Socialism, Medicare For All, Student Loan Forgiveness and Welfare.

They were shouting at passersby about how we must put a stop to "people getting a free ride on the backs of hard working Americans".
 
Oh yeah, and also yesterday there were protesters out on the streets in Boston protesting Socialism, Medicare For All, Student Loan Forgiveness and Welfare.

They were shouting at passersby about how we must put a stop to "people getting a free ride on the backs of hard working Americans".
I'm confused because the hardest working americans I've seen in a long time are the Mexican immigrants that we're supposed to hate for doing all the shitty work for cheap that white americans would rather not.
 
I'm confused because the hardest working americans I've seen in a long time are the Mexican immigrants that we're supposed to hate for doing all the shitty work for cheap that white americans would rather not.


I 100% agree with you.

But if these hard working Americans are anything like my father, they believe that all Mexicans are on welfare and that their tax dollars are going towards paying to support them. Kind of stupid when these same people also make the arguments that immigrants are taking all the jobs.
 
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