Political Discussion

Sonicpharmacist · Jun 17, 2024

Here’s the link to Project 2025. The pillars are where they state how they plan to enact the plan. Absolutely terrifying.

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

Hemotep · Jun 17, 2024

Sonicpharmacist said:
Here’s the link to Project 2025. The pillars are where they state how they plan to enact the plan. Absolutely terrifying.

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

I'm glad this is getting more attention now. The conference I went to on authoritarianism this year had a few panels on this. It's just one part of the right's plan to never allow the Dems (or anyone else) to ever get in power again.

RenegadeMonster · Jun 17, 2024

Hemotep said:
I'm glad this is getting more attention now. The conference I went to on authoritarianism this year had a few panels on this. It's just one part of the right's plan to never allow the Dems (or anyone else) to ever get in power again.

All while their narrative is saying, the radical left is corrupting our government and it’s an urgent matter of national security to fix the damage they have done.

Nee Lewman · Jun 17, 2024

RenegadeMonster said:
All while their narrative is saying, the radical left is corrupting our government and it’s an urgent matter of national security to fix the damage they have done.

To their plans, they are and it is.

RenegadeMonster · Jun 18, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/18/media/jeff-bezos-washington-post-publisher-dilemma/index.html

Hemotep · Jun 18, 2024

This one made me choke on my drink a little.

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epyon415 · Jun 18, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/boeing-ceo-testify-senate/index.html

So Boeing is going to face consequences for it’s illegal actions like lose contracts, fines, prison time? Right? RIGHT?!?

Fuck our “legal” system, such a mockery.

TenderLovingKiller® · Jun 19, 2024

epyon415 said:
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/boeing-ceo-testify-senate/index.html

So Boeing is going to face consequences for it’s illegal actions like lose contracts, fines, prison time? Right? RIGHT?!?

Fuck our “legal” system, such a mockery.

Like the big three automakers, Boing is a legacy US company; As such, they’re “too big to fail” and they know it. The best solution would be to Nationalize Boing while throwing the current leadership in jail but that will never happen. Best case scenario is they are hurt financially enough that maybe one of these asshole billionaires private space programs decide to purchase a controlling stake in the company but ultimately that is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It’s an utter shit show.

RenegadeMonster · Jun 19, 2024

Arizona is sending taxpayer money to religious schools — and billionaires see it as a model for the US

RenegadeMonster · Jun 19, 2024

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/us/politics/trump-2025-democratic-resistance.html

The New York Times published this in-depth article this past Sunday. While I haven't been able to read it myself, as it's behind a paywall, I have heard summarized by other news organizations.

Basically, the article is about a surprisingly large number of democrats who are already bracing for a Trump win and putting plans in place to deal with a second Trump presidency.

While it's good to be prepared and have plans in place to combat a second term of Trump, we should be focusing on trying to secure a win for the democrats at this point in time.

It's scary to see that several democrats believe it's a foregone conclusion that Trump will win the election, and the GOP will take control of both the house and senate.

States are preparing policy to be a safe haven for people to flee to to get an abortion. Left political organizations are hiring auditors and lawyers preparing for Trump to set the IRS on them as soon as he takes office.

What's not clear to me is if the NYT article is just about the preparation for a second Trump presidency, or if it also includes reasons as to why we should not be focusing on this now. As the Article I just read that referenced the NYT Article was more of a counter piece focusing on why this is not the time to be preparing for a Trump presidency, and why we should be on the campaign trail.

Nee Lewman · Jun 19, 2024

Why do all the ads for “unbiased news” come from conservative media platforms?

RenegadeMonster · Jun 19, 2024

TrainFan73 said:
Why do all the ads for “unbiased news” come from conservative media platforms?

News Nation, we are looking at you...

Because unbiased means the lack of the liberal bias. What conservatives are looking for, because centralist media platforms anger them with their left wing reporting and view points.

mdmost · Jun 19, 2024

RenegadeMonster said:
Arizona is sending taxpayer money to religious schools — and billionaires see it as a model for the US

There's a huge push by our asshole governor to do that here in Texas. Texas schools are already historically underfunded due to inequity in property taxes and that business pay very little into the system so Texas can stay "business friendly". Funding is getting worse since the Federal Covid funds are gone and not being replaced by state funds. Even the suburbs are hurting and having to make cuts. It really feels like the dismantling of the public school system is by design. Charters and privates have been wanting public money for a long time. So now the governor has made vouchers his big issue even though rural Republicans are completely against it because it will crater their schools. It's the one issue that there's a consensus on both sides about. The group that is for vouchers are all MAGA dipshits or evangelicals. The irony in the bullshit line they throw out that this will allow poor families to send their kids to better schools is privates will raise their rates to offset the vouchers, making private school even more expensive for families. And privates can only take so many kids and keep the class sizes people are seeking in the first place.

Hemotep · Jun 19, 2024

RenegadeMonster said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/us/politics/trump-2025-democratic-resistance.html

The New York Times published this in-depth article this past Sunday. While I haven't been able to read it myself, as it's behind a paywall, I have heard summarized by other news organizations.

Basically, the article is about a surprisingly large number of democrats who are already bracing for a Trump win and putting plans in place to deal with a second Trump presidency.

While it's good to be prepared and have plans in place to combat a second term of Trump, we should be focusing on trying to secure a win for the democrats at this point in time.

It's scary to see that several democrats believe it's a foregone conclusion that Trump will win the election, and the GOP will take control of both the house and senate.

States are preparing policy to be a safe haven for people to flee to to get an abortion. Left political organizations are hiring auditors and lawyers preparing for Trump to set the IRS on them as soon as he takes office.

What's not clear to me is if the NYT article is just about the preparation for a second Trump presidency, or if it also includes reasons as to why we should not be focusing on this now. As the Article I just read that referenced the NYT Article was more of a counter piece focusing on why this is not the time to be preparing for a Trump presidency, and why we should be on the campaign trail.

I think it's important to do both and I'm glad that they are preparing. If they don't and he wins (which I think there is a very good chance that he will) we need to brace for it. They treated him as a joke last time and were unprepared, and if he wins this time then it will absolutely be worse because that was really a trial run to see where there were cracks in the system, and Biden/most Dems have completely failed to realize the threat of the Republican party today and shore up the system against it (even with the limited action they can take). Either way, I think the political scientists and political economists are generally correct in thinking that unless something major happens, Trump will likely trounce Biden in this election. That's what the data is showing, not just media polls, but even the university led ones (which typically have more robust methodology.

RenegadeMonster · Jun 19, 2024

John Oliver said a lot when he said the position of his show is to not endorse Trump. The stance of his show is anyone but Trump. He didn't really endorse Biden, but rather make a joke about the only Reason to vote for Biden is "he is not Trump". And that says a lot.

mdmost · Jun 19, 2024

That's a pretty good reason though given the utter hell Trump will unleash in his 2nd term. I get it. I don't feel Biden has done nearly enough for ordinary people and I know that's something that's costing him votes. I get people want a disruptor and for the system to change. The system isn't going to change under Trump in a way those people want. It's going to be a system designed to help white, Christian males at the expense of everyone else.

TenderLovingKiller® · Jun 19, 2024

Hemotep said:
I think the political scientists and political economists are generally correct in thinking that unless something major happens, Trump will likely trounce Biden in this election. That's what the data is showing, not just media polls, but even the university led ones (which typically have more robust methodology.

None of the polling I have seen suggest Biden would be trounced, even most University led polls shows a tight and competitive race in most swing states. I still feel that the methodology is off. The way these polls are conducted tends to benefit conservative voters. If you look at how off the 2022 midterms were in polling, where there was supposed to be a “red wave” only to have the Senate stay in the Dems control while losing the house by a mere handful of seats.