Political Discussion

[Nee Lewman]

So how do Trump’s voters reconcile that last time he did or attempted to do every terrible thing he ran on and the fact that the stuff he has been saying this time is worse?

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I’m ok with teaching the Bible as a historical document, and teaching about the basics of what the religion believes. There was a whole unit in my 7th grade history class on the basics of the Muslim faith and I remember finding that fascinating. Religion is so intertwined with all facets of history that everyone should have a baseline knowledge of what each one believes and how those beliefs have shaped the world.

Obviously that is not what the right is doing here but I thought it was worth mentioning

Agreed but here It’s the “Mandatory” portion that violates the 1st amendment especially when the mandate is specific to the Bible.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

So how do Trump’s voters reconcile that last time he did or attempted to do every terrible thing he ran on and the fact that the stuff he has been saying this time is worse?

Revisionist history, they blame Biden and the Deep State.

I’ve seen MAGA voters try to pin 9/11 on Obama.

 

[Bull Shannon]

We've got (at least) two members of the Supreme Court who have expressed support for the January 6th insurrectionists, and they are ruling on cases affecting the prosecution of insurrectionists. This is fucked beyond belief.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

We've got (at least) two members of the Supreme Court who have expressed support for the January 6th insurrectionists, and they are ruling on cases affecting the prosecution of insurrectionists. This is fucked beyond belief.

Also, Ketanji Brown Jackson seems cool with them too.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

This is where some enterprising lawyers need to sue to make sure Muslim, Hindu, and Native people's religions are also being taught in Oklahoma schools. That's the fastest way to get this order rescinded.

Nah, they will just be told "they can look away" like they were about the 10 commandments.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

We've got (at least) two members of the Supreme Court who have expressed support for the January 6th insurrectionists, and they are ruling on cases affecting the prosecution of insurrectionists. This is fucked beyond belief.

Thought they already ruled on that this morning:




Yup, we are fucked.

 

[Nee Lewman]

I don’t want to read any of these decisions, can someone summarize for me how the Jan 6 rioters weren’t guilty of Obstruction?

 

[RenegadeMonster]

I don’t want to read any of these decisions, can someone summarize for me how the Jan 6 rioters weren’t guilty of Obstruction?

Pretty much that the obstruction law wasn't intended to be used in a situation like this, thus they should have never been charged with obstruction. The SCOTUS narrowed / defined what qualifies as Obstruction.

 

[Nee Lewman]

Pretty much that the obstruction law wasn't intended to be used in a situation like this, thus they should have never been charged with obstruction. The SCOTUS narrowed / defined what qualifies as Obstruction.

That makes my head hurt.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I don’t want to read any of these decisions, can someone summarize for me how the Jan 6 rioters weren’t guilty of Obstruction?

It’s a technicality in how the law was written, it was written in response to the whole Enron fiasco. The majority doesn’t feel that the law can be applied in the way that it was because it was not specifically written in that way. The dissenting opinion by Comey-Barrett said that though it’s was not written to specifically address the action of January 6th it’s written broadly enough that a prosecutor should be able to apply it to these cases.

Also, the decision doesn’t mean that rioters are off Scott-free the case was sent back to the lower court where prosecutors can proceed with other charges.

They also implied this obstruction of justice charge could still be hung on Trump since he would still fit the more narrow definition.

 

[avecigrec]

More like Supreme Shart, amirite?

 

[HiFi Guy]

Riddle me this- a convicted felon is stripped of the right to vote (unless they get them restored) but a convicted felon can run for President? I don’t get it.

 

[Nee Lewman]

Riddle me this- a convicted felon is stripped of the right to vote (unless they get them restored) but a convicted felon can run for President? I don’t get it.

Actually he can vote? Turns out this is a state thing not a fed thing?

 

[gaporter]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Just spend some time around here.

Hey now. I'll have you know that my love for the 2004 masterwork Van Helsing is 100% genuine and justifiable.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Actually he can vote? Turns out this is a state thing not a fed thing?

Well, Trump's home state is Florida, and Convicted Felon's can't vote in Florida until they get the right restored*

If the felony took place in a different state, like NY for example, it doesn't count and Trump is clear to vote in Florida.

 

[Hemotep]

Within the last half hour the LA Times and the Miami Herald put out pieces saying Biden needs to be replaced for the good of the country.

Don't think it's surprising but I do wonder if the media narrative will burst the dam.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

My sister's reaction to last nights debate. "I hope they both die before November".

lol

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Within the last half hour the LA Times and the Miami Herald put out pieces saying Biden needs to be replaced for the good of the country.

Don't think it's surprising but I do wonder if the media narrative will burst the dam.

I have seen the same thing from several other news outlets come through on my Apple News notifications over the past few hours as well.

 

[Hemotep]

Within the last half hour the LA Times and the Miami Herald put out pieces saying Biden needs to be replaced for the good of the country.

Don't think it's surprising but I do wonder if the media narrative will burst the dam.

The LA piece says he needs to put the country first by pulling out, the Miami piece says the Dems need to just do it regardless.