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mdmost said:
Here's the problem, the Democratic bench is very weak. Kamala should be the person to step in and win this. But she probably should've never been the VP choice. But I get it, Joe wanted to pick a black female to break two glass ceilings. The problem is she wasn't a great option to begin with and no one thought it was a good idea to push for a better person to possibly take over for the oldest president ever. Now, we're in a position where an even more unpopular VP isn't going to save us from another Trump presidency. If anything, she will push more moderate people to Trump because whether they want to admit it or not, they will put her race and gender as negatives because she is not like them.

The Democratic machine could push someone up in place of Biden but who exactly wins this? Newsome could destroy Trump in every debate. He's still the governor of a state people have been told for 50+ years is the epitome of failed liberal policies. The media would pepper us with images of San Francisco, Oakland, and LA homeless to show how Newsome can't even help people in his own state. Pete? He could also destroy Trump in a debate just as he destroys most Republicans when he's called before Congress or goes on Fox News. Does he move the needle with middle America, people in Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, and the only states that no matter due to the electoral college?

I almost feel this is the course correction the Democrats need. I just have no faith our country and institutions can survive another 4 years of Trump looking to settle scores and giving carte blanche to the worst of humanity like Stephen Miller. To say I'm pessimistic would be an understatement.
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I see your points and you make a strong case. Fine, I’ll do it. 🫡
 
mdmost said:
Here's the problem, the Democratic bench is very weak. Kamala should be the person to step in and win this. But she probably should've never been the VP choice. But I get it, Joe wanted to pick a black female to break two glass ceilings. The problem is she wasn't a great option to begin with and no one thought it was a good idea to push for a better person to possibly take over for the oldest president ever. Now, we're in a position where an even more unpopular VP isn't going to save us from another Trump presidency. If anything, she will push more moderate people to Trump because whether they want to admit it or not, they will put her race and gender as negatives because she is not like them.

The Democratic machine could push someone up in place of Biden but who exactly wins this? Newsome could destroy Trump in every debate. He's still the governor of a state people have been told for 50+ years is the epitome of failed liberal policies. The media would pepper us with images of San Francisco, Oakland, and LA homeless to show how Newsome can't even help people in his own state. Pete? He could also destroy Trump in a debate just as he destroys most Republicans when he's called before Congress or goes on Fox News. Does he move the needle with middle America, people in Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, and the only states that no matter due to the electoral college?

I almost feel this is the course correction the Democrats need. I just have no faith our country and institutions can survive another 4 years of Trump looking to settle scores and giving carte blanche to the worst of humanity like Stephen Miller. To say I'm pessimistic would be an understatement.
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I think the only one that could pull in progressives to moderates is Whitmer. I like Buttigieg even less than Biden and Harris, and I do not like either of them. He's a carbon copy of Mckinsey corporate branding and frankly is only out for himself. Newsome is slightly better because like Hillary he knows how to pander to both sides and play the politics of the Democratic machine, but that's also his biggest weakness because that model doesn't work well in this current reality anymore. But outside of those three, I don't know if anyone who has a national profile big enough to step in. Michelle Obama is still the obvious name, but she doesn't want to do it and I'm very much over political families. Still if she were to do it then I think she'd crush Trump. She'd be hated and viciously opposed, but she also get a lot more traction than the alternatives. Funnily I don't see her being Black or a Woman as a handicap like it's talked about being for Harris, and I think that has a lot more to do with how unlikable Harris is and how bad many viewed her policies. I mean her advisors had to be fucking with her given how outlandishly dumb some of the policies she suggested in the last primary were. I just couldn't believe that they thought those would help her win. It seemed almost like intentional sabotage.
 
mdmost said:
I almost feel this is the course correction the Democrats need. I just have no faith our country and institutions can survive another 4 years of Trump looking to settle scores and giving carte blanche to the worst of humanity like Stephen Miller. To say I'm pessimistic would be an understatement.
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The left was hoping Biden could carry them for 4 more years instead of growing future leaders.

The Governor or PA, Josh Shapiro, Michigan, Whitmere, and Maryland, Wes Moore would have all been excellent candidates too. I think Newsom would be tougher than many on the right would admit.

Had any decided to push Biden early instead of failing In line, maybe we could have had a legitimate primary and seen Biden debate in a primary last year, if he preformed like this who knows what would have happened.
 
mdmost said:
Here's the problem, the Democratic bench is very weak. Kamala should be the person to step in and win this. But she probably should've never been the VP choice. But I get it, Joe wanted to pick a black female to break two glass ceilings. The problem is she wasn't a great option to begin with and no one thought it was a good idea to push for a better person to possibly take over for the oldest president ever. Now, we're in a position where an even more unpopular VP isn't going to save us from another Trump presidency. If anything, she will push more moderate people to Trump because whether they want to admit it or not, they will put her race and gender as negatives because she is not like them.

The Democratic machine could push someone up in place of Biden but who exactly wins this? Newsome could destroy Trump in every debate. He's still the governor of a state people have been told for 50+ years is the epitome of failed liberal policies. The media would pepper us with images of San Francisco, Oakland, and LA homeless to show how Newsome can't even help people in his own state. Pete? He could also destroy Trump in a debate just as he destroys most Republicans when he's called before Congress or goes on Fox News. Does he move the needle with middle America, people in Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, and the only states that now matter due to the electoral college?

I almost feel this is the course correction the Democrats need. I just have no faith our country and institutions can survive another 4 years of Trump looking to settle scores and giving carte blanche to the worst of humanity like Stephen Miller. To say I'm pessimistic would be an understatement.
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Worse, I don’t think we only get four years. He and his republicans cronies will either push for a third term or he will dismantle the democracy.
 
ranbalam said:
More exciting news...

www.bbc.com

Oklahoma orders schools to teach the Bible 'immediately'

The state's top education official says students must learn about "an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone".
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This is ridiculous just like the recent Louisiana 10 Commandments decision. In normal times this would have been laughed out of Courts on 1A but at this point who the fuck even knows. I am glad I live in a very blue state.
 
ranbalam said:
More exciting news...

www.bbc.com

Oklahoma orders schools to teach the Bible 'immediately'

The state's top education official says students must learn about "an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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This is where some enterprising lawyers need to sue to make sure Muslim, Hindu, and Native people's religions are also being taught in Oklahoma schools. That's the fastest way to get this order rescinded.
 
mdmost said:
This is where some enterprising lawyers need to sue to make sure Muslim, Hindu, and Native people's religions are also being taught in Oklahoma schools. That's the fastest way to get this order rescinded.
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They are trying to backdoor it by suggesting that it needs to be taught for historical reasons based on the history of the US.

You know, it’s the same subject that the GOP wants to ban the teaching Slavery and Segregation in.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
They are trying to backdoor it by suggesting that it needs to be tough for historical reasons based on the history of the US.

You know, it’s the same subject that want to avoid addressing Slavery and Segregation in?
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The entire point was people came here so they could worship how they chose without governmental influence or retribution. If you're going to get so simultaneously dogmatic and inaccurate about it you may as well mandate big buckles on hats.
 
mdmost said:
This is where some enterprising lawyers need to sue to make sure Muslim, Hindu, and Native people's religions are also being taught in Oklahoma schools. That's the fastest way to get this order rescinded.
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I’m ok with teaching the Bible as a historical document, and teaching about the basics of what the religion believes. There was a whole unit in my 7th grade history class on the basics of the Muslim faith and I remember finding that fascinating. Religion is so intertwined with all facets of history that everyone should have a baseline knowledge of what each one believes and how those beliefs have shaped the world.

Obviously that is not what the right is doing here but I thought it was worth mentioning
 
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