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RHANDMJ said:
Joe will step down. It just can't be instantaneous, there is a need to organize a logical plan.

Joe won't make it to a second debate. The Democratic party can't let that happen.

Joe will get new polling data next week, and it will show him dropping at least 5 points after the debate.

He will also get polling data that assesses a range of potential replacements. Bearing in mind that none of those potential replacements are actual candidates yet (so the polling will largely reflect name awareness), I would expect it will show any of Kamala, Gretchen, Gavin would be stronger than Joe.

Joe's immediate problem is that he has no upside potential to grow votes. Not any more. But put Kamala, Gretchen or Gavin out front of the Democratic ticket and the vote will start to shift. Them put any of them beside Trump in a debate and that lowlife scammer gets humiliated.
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Currently Kamala has a lower approval rating than Biden. She would get crushed in the general election.

Even a 5 point dip in the polls would still leave Biden within single digits of Trump. Obama was down 12 points to Romney closer to election than than this.

I am not saying he won’t step down but something else would need to happen between now and the convention for that to happen.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Currently Kamala has a lower approval rating than Biden. She would get crushed in the general election.

Even a 5 point dip in the polls would still leave Biden within single digits of Trump. Obama was down 12 points to Romney closer to election than than this.

I am not saying he won’t step down but something else would need to happen between now and the convention for that to happen.
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As part of the world holding their breath, there is no doubt in my mind that Biden is a good person and has been a good president, particularly considering the damage little hands did.

If Trump had won re-election, Ukraine would be under Russian rule, NATO would be weaker and in disarray, Hamas and Iran would be united in a war against an unrestrained Israel, the Supereme Court would be a near dictatorship in of itself, and the United States itself would increasingly be run by decree and not rule of law.

So I am all in for Joe. I would take a senile Joe over a psychopath any day. I would take a well behaved dog over Trump.

Bear in mind, approval ratings do not translate into poll standings, if they did, the gap facing Joe would be wider.

And I don't care about the national average approval ratings, as there is no single national election. I am only interested in the electoral college map. Kamala sucks in states that Joe sucks in too, maybe a bit worse than Joe because those states there is a much higher incidence of racist attitudes that won't accept her. In more enlightened states, her numbers aren't as bad.

Also bear in mind that poll standing of a hypothetical always changes when they are no longer a hypothetical, and people start to take a harder look.

Again, I am looking at some distance, which is both an advantage and a disadvantage. And I am well aware that in the United States there is still racism, mysoginy, demagogery and religious fundamentalism that would impede a female, non-white candidate. But despite that, I feel that Kamala would wipe up on Trump.

And if I look at it in the battlegrounds, Kamala would probably do better than Joe.
 
It all comes down to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and North Carolina. If Kamala would do better than Joe in ensuring they keep those states/flip those states then Joe should step down. But I'm telling you, Kamala will lose the Democrats some votes that Joe wouldn't. Again, we are an inherently racist and misogynistic country. I truly don't believe some in middle America who claim to lean moderate would pull the lever for a black, liberal woman like they would for a white, liberal male. I also fear how she would do in a debate with Trump. Debates were never her strong suit when she was in the primary in 2019/2020. The one thing Americans fear more than anything is the unknown. Kamala is pretty unknown right now. So even if she's the candidate, I think some just stay home, ensuring a Trump victory.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
Trump has immunity for official acts, but not unofficial ones. Unclear to me in the reading as to what official vs unofficial are.

apnews.com

Highlights: Supreme Court sends Trump’s immunity case back to a lower court in Washington

The Supreme Court is sending Donald Trump’s immunity case back to a lower court in Washington, dimming the prospect of a pre-election trial.
apnews.com apnews.com

Get fucked SCOTUS
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His powers under the constitution are protected. In other words, calling for an insurgence is not protected. Launching a military operation would be.
 
MyWifeHatesTrain said:
His powers under the constitution are protected. In other words, calling for an insurgence is not protected. Launching a military operation would be.
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No doubt the fat fuck's attorneys will argue that his actions were official and it will go back to the courts to decide what, if any, should be considered official. In other words, even more delays before his trial can begin.

Fuck SCOTUS, fuck the orange shitgibbon and fuck any attorney willing to participate in defending him.
 
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