Political Discussion
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wokeupnew
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1) DNC is very very afraid of Bernie and knows that he’ll do well without this last ditch effort. I’m hoping they see him breaking away because of polling, etc. and this may be too late to stop him.
2) maybe the DNC is shooting itself in their foot because not all Pete/Amy/Steyer voters are automatically Biden supporters. Also this is gifting Bernie Minnesota.
2) maybe the DNC is shooting itself in their foot because not all Pete/Amy/Steyer voters are automatically Biden supporters. Also this is gifting Bernie Minnesota.
AnthonyI
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Honestly, ever since Trump won, I feel that "we the people" really have no control over anything when it comes to voting for our leaders. Oh, it looks like a democracy, but the politicians in office and behind the scenes are wheeling and dealing with everyone to get the person THEY want in office.
...........when's the first colonization of Mars starting again?
...........when's the first colonization of Mars starting again?
DownIsTheNewUp
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So frustrated with Warren- she is basically running a spoiler campaign at this point
Teeeee
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I was thinking about this over the weekend. Is there a different way of doing things? Our govern was formed by white, male, slave owners hundreds of years ago. A LOT has changed. And yes, a lot works, but a lot is broken and could be improved on. Is there a different way to govern ourselves? A different approach to everything? I am not asking this because I have any good ideas. It just seems like we're stuck.
Quoting because there is not a direct link to this article but rather appears on the timeline for coronavirus.
I can't say I'm surprised but am deeply saddened that people are trying to profit off of coronavirus.
AnthonyI
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..........our world's problem in a nutshell.
Twentytwo
Pre-order Goodness
See how voters describe 2020 candidates in one word - CNN Video
Voters were asked to describe the various 2020 presidential candidates in one word and gave some surprising answers. CNN's John Avlon has more.
www.cnn.com
Sighs. Where do they find these people.
jaycee
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FTFY
Klobuchar was leading polls here. Suburban white folk in MN are not in on Bernie and there are a lot of those folks here.... unfortunately. Even IF the most urban districts go Bernie I think it will be a very steep climb. I hope I'm wrong.
So is Bloomberg... hopefully
People have legit reasons for preferring Warren unlike Bloomberg but I'm hoping enough people are still out on Biden in enough places.
I'm confused why anyone would believe that a Trump voter would ever flip to a moderate dem. There are very few demographics where that is even remotely a reasonable line of thinking.
piggybacking on this and @AnthonyI 's comment.
I sort of feel like the lack of control has always been the case. Disparity between the wealthy and the poor has always waxed and waned, but has been getting worse during recent decades. My feeling is that we owe it to ourselves to start somewhere and that somewhere could be a single issue like socialized health care. The old white men and others that profit of of the system are not going anywhere quickly, but by continuing to put chinks in their armor they can be overcome... or they can be overthrown more dramatically. I think the latter is very unlikely given who controls the military nor do I want to live through what is repeating itself in Haiti as we speak. This country continues to fail to live up to the ideals it purports because it treats the weakest members of society with disdain, which is why we should turn out to vote even if our preferred candidate isn't on the ballot. There is much more at stake than our own wants and needs.
I was disappointed Bernie and Warren didn't fair a little better in S.C. but that was to be expected. It doesn't look like African American voters over 30 are on board in the Eastern half of the country... I hope that's not true or not true enough.
All of it is pretty maddening and sad. Fear will continue to rule.
Fleetwood-Matt
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Man I really dont like talking politics but this shit is really just too much for me. It's amazing to me just how evil and corrupt the DNC really is and how they would rather have 4 more years of Trump than have a Sanders presidency
Dtknuckles
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Like we thought they were just gonna give him the key to the city? Man Dems know how to fuck up a good thing.
This is an interesting development.
Just heard on the news this morning that my town, Salem MA has rolled out a vape buyback program of high school students.
There have been huge uptakes in vaping by teenagers in recent years. They are hoping a $50 Visa Gift Card will sway teenagers to turn in their vap.
Just heard on the news this morning that my town, Salem MA has rolled out a vape buyback program of high school students.
There have been huge uptakes in vaping by teenagers in recent years. They are hoping a $50 Visa Gift Card will sway teenagers to turn in their vap.
Pete has endorsed Joe Biden now as well. Officially sometime last night before super Tuesday.
I learned something this morning that I didn't realize happened. If a candidate drops out of the race and endorses another candidate, all delegate votes they earned goes to the candidate they endorsed.
Both Pete B and Amy K are still on the ballets. And people will vote for them. All delegate votes they earn will go towards Biden. This is significant because it is the last ditch effort the DNC needs to stop Bernie Sanders. Potentially this means that even in California the playing field has been leveled out between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
I learned something this morning that I didn't realize happened. If a candidate drops out of the race and endorses another candidate, all delegate votes they earned goes to the candidate they endorsed.
Both Pete B and Amy K are still on the ballets. And people will vote for them. All delegate votes they earn will go towards Biden. This is significant because it is the last ditch effort the DNC needs to stop Bernie Sanders. Potentially this means that even in California the playing field has been leveled out between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
Dtknuckles
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It was always going to be a uphill battle for Bernie in the Dem establishment. Change never comes easy.
He’s taken a couple of hits recently so it’s normal to be a little disheartened. This has led me to start thinking about what will happen to his movement? What will happen to the populace’s need for change. When I think about my own personal experience a movement it makes me realize that this (presidential election) is just one battle in a long war.
I was involved in the UTLA strike last year. After that I decided to get more involved in the union. Our chapter chair sat down after the union. So I decided that I would offer some help. I am now currently a co chair. But getting a group of psychs enthusiastic about the union. We have school board election coming up. The charter allies are spending millions in attack adds, but I can’t get people to walk neighborhoods or make calls. This election goes a long way to our contract negotiations. All the enthusiasm during the strike seems to have disappeared. It seems like there is a collective sigh when I get up to speak about negotiations. I can’t really blame them. We are all over worked and have families to take care of.
Will this happen if Bernie doesn’t win? What will happen to the Dems base? Will it fracture to the point that only Reps have power?
He’s taken a couple of hits recently so it’s normal to be a little disheartened. This has led me to start thinking about what will happen to his movement? What will happen to the populace’s need for change. When I think about my own personal experience a movement it makes me realize that this (presidential election) is just one battle in a long war.
I was involved in the UTLA strike last year. After that I decided to get more involved in the union. Our chapter chair sat down after the union. So I decided that I would offer some help. I am now currently a co chair. But getting a group of psychs enthusiastic about the union. We have school board election coming up. The charter allies are spending millions in attack adds, but I can’t get people to walk neighborhoods or make calls. This election goes a long way to our contract negotiations. All the enthusiasm during the strike seems to have disappeared. It seems like there is a collective sigh when I get up to speak about negotiations. I can’t really blame them. We are all over worked and have families to take care of.
Will this happen if Bernie doesn’t win? What will happen to the Dems base? Will it fracture to the point that only Reps have power?
Just got back from voting. Voter turnout was the lowest I have ever seen in Salem. Maybe 1 or 2 people casting votes and that's it.
In previous elections when I stop before work there has always been a line and all 50 voting stations are occupied. Not this morning.
Not sure what's up. Then again, it's not "the presidential election" and it's not the 2018 election cycle.
In previous elections when I stop before work there has always been a line and all 50 voting stations are occupied. Not this morning.
Not sure what's up. Then again, it's not "the presidential election" and it's not the 2018 election cycle.
Btsvinylfarm
Active Member
I try not to be overtly political online, and really try to keep my views to myself. But I do have anxiety about this election.
I REALLY wish we could keep the DNC-conspiracy-against-Bernie shit down. As if they are the ones who are pulling strings to get Pete and Klobuchar to drop, after each had disastrously bad results in South Carolina (after poor showings in NV) - it was the right call to drop out, and certainly the Biden camp was lobbying them to do so before today; as Bernie should be doing for Warren. Also, the poster above who mentioned that delegates pledged to dropped candidates automatically go to whoever they endorse - that's simply not true and not how it works. Please don't spread disinformation to further a conspiracy theory. There's no "last ditch effort" to screw Bernie - everyone is playing by the same rules and there's nothing odd about candidates dropping days after a bad performance and endorsing a candidate they closely align with.
With that said, I'll be clear that I am truly "blue no matter who". I will gladly vote for Bernie if he wins a majority of delegates or is nominated in a brokered convention. I'd also vote for Biden, or Warren, or even (gags) Bloomberg.
But I have far more electability concerns with Bernie than others. Mainly, I'm not convinced Bernie can win on the suburbs. I don't foresee him moderating his platform for the general, so that means he's going to tell millions of Americans who are lucky enough to have good employer backed HC (like myself) that we can't keep it. He's going to tell thousands of Pennsylvania workers in the fracking industry that he would work to ensure their jobs don't exist. Me, personally? I think a universal HC system is a good idea and a benefit to American society, and I think fracking is dangerous and harmful to the environment. But I don't like his proposed ways of achieving the goals, and I worry it will turn off moderates and suburban voters that were the sole cause of the 2018 blue wave. Yes, he will bring in a lot of younger voters, but the numbers I've seen aren't enough to offset what he might lose in the 'burbs.
So I need someone from the Bernie camp to really start defending his electability, backed with data, to ease my anxiety about this. Because the primary goal in 2020 - like it or not - should be to remove Donald Trump from office. Policy goals are going to be secondary. That may suck to hear, but it's reality. 4 more years of Donald Trump is far worse to the goals of the folks in the Bernie camp than a Biden centrist Presidency.
Okay, I've expended my political discourse capital here for the year and I'll shut up and listen now.
I REALLY wish we could keep the DNC-conspiracy-against-Bernie shit down. As if they are the ones who are pulling strings to get Pete and Klobuchar to drop, after each had disastrously bad results in South Carolina (after poor showings in NV) - it was the right call to drop out, and certainly the Biden camp was lobbying them to do so before today; as Bernie should be doing for Warren. Also, the poster above who mentioned that delegates pledged to dropped candidates automatically go to whoever they endorse - that's simply not true and not how it works. Please don't spread disinformation to further a conspiracy theory. There's no "last ditch effort" to screw Bernie - everyone is playing by the same rules and there's nothing odd about candidates dropping days after a bad performance and endorsing a candidate they closely align with.
With that said, I'll be clear that I am truly "blue no matter who". I will gladly vote for Bernie if he wins a majority of delegates or is nominated in a brokered convention. I'd also vote for Biden, or Warren, or even (gags) Bloomberg.
But I have far more electability concerns with Bernie than others. Mainly, I'm not convinced Bernie can win on the suburbs. I don't foresee him moderating his platform for the general, so that means he's going to tell millions of Americans who are lucky enough to have good employer backed HC (like myself) that we can't keep it. He's going to tell thousands of Pennsylvania workers in the fracking industry that he would work to ensure their jobs don't exist. Me, personally? I think a universal HC system is a good idea and a benefit to American society, and I think fracking is dangerous and harmful to the environment. But I don't like his proposed ways of achieving the goals, and I worry it will turn off moderates and suburban voters that were the sole cause of the 2018 blue wave. Yes, he will bring in a lot of younger voters, but the numbers I've seen aren't enough to offset what he might lose in the 'burbs.
So I need someone from the Bernie camp to really start defending his electability, backed with data, to ease my anxiety about this. Because the primary goal in 2020 - like it or not - should be to remove Donald Trump from office. Policy goals are going to be secondary. That may suck to hear, but it's reality. 4 more years of Donald Trump is far worse to the goals of the folks in the Bernie camp than a Biden centrist Presidency.
Okay, I've expended my political discourse capital here for the year and I'll shut up and listen now.