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TenderLovingKiller® said:
...this particular movie gets thought of along the same lines as Clerks or Dazed & Confused or Clueless as the quintessential 90s movie....
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By who?
Clearly someone who did not actually live through the decade.

God I'm the old man now.... as proven by this story I'm going to tell about some "young whippersnappers I encountered"

***Crochety Old Man Rant ***

So today, in the Grand Central outpost of Café Grumpy (a modern leaning coffee establishment that takes that shit seriously, and has seriously good coffee), the young whippersnapper Baristas were blasting and singing along to the complete garbage of a song "Arms Wide Open" by the complete garbage of a band Creed. One dude was wearing a Nirvana T.

At least that is/was the general sentiment of anyone who, in 1999, would have frequented a hip coffee house establishment like Café Grumpy.

But it seems like the cultural shift where being "ironical" is short hand for "cool" has subsumed the factual and what was actually cool at the time.

I recall that teens and twenty-somethings with any kind of style or taste - not just people who listed to whatever they played on the radio - considered Creed as MOR and shorthand for everything that was Corporate/Bullshit/Wrong and needed changing.

You didn't wear a Nirvana Concert T and listen to Creed. That would be like wearing a Kendrick Shirt and rocking out to Drake's "Family Matters" today.

Now, it seems like the 2025 shorthand for the the 90s is shit like Creed.

The 50s got the Beatles, Little Richard and Motown as shorthand; The 60s got the Dead, Jefferson Airplane and the Doors as shorthand; the 70s got Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Fleetwood Mac as shorthand; the 80s got Prince/MJ, Madonna as shorthand - but were' letting the shorthand for the 90s fall to Creed, Bush and Matchbox 20???

Even if you want to shit on the Seattle scene and label all the bands "grunge" (which we can fight about later), why isn't the shorthand something like: NIN, Dinosaur Jr/Pixies & Tribe/Wu-Tang/Biggie?

Its the same thing as what you are expressing with Empire Records. Ok move, I've seen it - but "quintessential 90s"?
FUCK. OFF.

It makes want to go full Henry Rollins and punch some ass-hat for stealing my microphone.

***Crochety Old Man Rant Over***
 
Viking Dan said:
By who?
Clearly someone who did not actually live through the decade.

God I'm the old man now.... as proven by this story I'm going to tell about some "young whippersnappers I encountered"

***Crochety Old Man Rant ***

So today, in the Grand Central outpost of Café Grumpy (a modern leaning coffee establishment that takes that shit seriously, and has seriously good coffee), the young whippersnapper Baristas were blasting and singing along to the complete garbage of a song "Arms Wide Open" by the complete garbage of a band Creed. One dude was wearing a Nirvana T.

At least that is/was the general sentiment of anyone who, in 1999, would have frequented a hip coffee house establishment like Café Grumpy.

But it seems like the cultural shift where being "ironical" is short hand for "cool" has subsumed the factual and what was actually cool at the time.

I recall that teens and twenty-somethings with any kind of style or taste - not just people who listed to whatever they played on the radio - considered Creed as MOR and shorthand for everything that was Corporate/Bullshit/Wrong and needed changing.

You didn't wear a Nirvana Concert T and listen to Creed. That would be like wearing a Kendrick Shirt and rocking out to Drake's "Family Matters" today.

Now, it seems like the 2025 shorthand for the the 90s is shit like Creed.

The 50s got the Beatles, Little Richard and Motown as shorthand; The 60s got the Dead, Jefferson Airplane and the Doors as shorthand; the 70s got Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Fleetwood Mac as shorthand; the 80s got Prince/MJ, Madonna as shorthand - but were' letting the shorthand for the 90s fall to Creed, Bush and Matchbox 20???

Even if you want to shit on the Seattle scene and label all the bands "grunge" (which we can fight about later), why isn't the shorthand something like: NIN, Dinosaur Jr/Pixies & Tribe/Wu-Tang/Biggie?

Its the same thing as what you are expressing with Empire Records. Ok move, I've seen it - but "quintessential 90s"?
FUCK. OFF.

It makes want to go full Henry Rollins and punch some ass-hat for stealing my microphone.

***Crochety Old Man Rant Over***
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Having also lived through the decade managing to survive despite several risky circumstances, including being subjected to grunge (still recovering), I guess, based on this epic and enjoyable rant, I should feel blessed to have never head of Empire Records until today — and i saw a shit-ton of movies in the 90s, mainstream, art house, and experimental.
 
Viking Dan said:
By who?
Clearly someone who did not actually live through the decade.

God I'm the old man now.... as proven by this story I'm going to tell about some "young whippersnappers I encountered"

***Crochety Old Man Rant ***

So today, in the Grand Central outpost of Café Grumpy (a modern leaning coffee establishment that takes that shit seriously, and has seriously good coffee), the young whippersnapper Baristas were blasting and singing along to the complete garbage of a song "Arms Wide Open" by the complete garbage of a band Creed. One dude was wearing a Nirvana T.

At least that is/was the general sentiment of anyone who, in 1999, would have frequented a hip coffee house establishment like Café Grumpy.

But it seems like the cultural shift where being "ironical" is short hand for "cool" has subsumed the factual and what was actually cool at the time.

I recall that teens and twenty-somethings with any kind of style or taste - not just people who listed to whatever they played on the radio - considered Creed as MOR and shorthand for everything that was Corporate/Bullshit/Wrong and needed changing.

You didn't wear a Nirvana Concert T and listen to Creed. That would be like wearing a Kendrick Shirt and rocking out to Drake's "Family Matters" today.

Now, it seems like the 2025 shorthand for the the 90s is shit like Creed.

The 50s got the Beatles, Little Richard and Motown as shorthand; The 60s got the Dead, Jefferson Airplane and the Doors as shorthand; the 70s got Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Fleetwood Mac as shorthand; the 80s got Prince/MJ, Madonna as shorthand - but were' letting the shorthand for the 90s fall to Creed, Bush and Matchbox 20???

Even if you want to shit on the Seattle scene and label all the bands "grunge" (which we can fight about later), why isn't the shorthand something like: NIN, Dinosaur Jr/Pixies & Tribe/Wu-Tang/Biggie?

Its the same thing as what you are expressing with Empire Records. Ok move, I've seen it - but "quintessential 90s"?
FUCK. OFF.

It makes want to go full Henry Rollins and punch some ass-hat for stealing my microphone.

***Crochety Old Man Rant Over***
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50s got Elvis, 60s got The Beatles. But yeah, I agree. As someone who came of age on boy bands and Creed, it’s mildly amusing to see the comeback. But the 90s will always feel angsty and grimy to me musically. They took what punk believed and kinda made it corporate (much to Kurt Cobain’s chagrin). Then the post-grunge movement made it radio friendly.
 
Viking Dan said:
By who?
Clearly someone who did not actually live through the decade.

God I'm the old man now.... as proven by this story I'm going to tell about some "young whippersnappers I encountered"

***Crochety Old Man Rant ***

So today, in the Grand Central outpost of Café Grumpy (a modern leaning coffee establishment that takes that shit seriously, and has seriously good coffee), the young whippersnapper Baristas were blasting and singing along to the complete garbage of a song "Arms Wide Open" by the complete garbage of a band Creed. One dude was wearing a Nirvana T.

At least that is/was the general sentiment of anyone who, in 1999, would have frequented a hip coffee house establishment like Café Grumpy.

But it seems like the cultural shift where being "ironical" is short hand for "cool" has subsumed the factual and what was actually cool at the time.

I recall that teens and twenty-somethings with any kind of style or taste - not just people who listed to whatever they played on the radio - considered Creed as MOR and shorthand for everything that was Corporate/Bullshit/Wrong and needed changing.

You didn't wear a Nirvana Concert T and listen to Creed. That would be like wearing a Kendrick Shirt and rocking out to Drake's "Family Matters" today.

Now, it seems like the 2025 shorthand for the the 90s is shit like Creed.

The 50s got the Beatles, Little Richard and Motown as shorthand; The 60s got the Dead, Jefferson Airplane and the Doors as shorthand; the 70s got Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Fleetwood Mac as shorthand; the 80s got Prince/MJ, Madonna as shorthand - but were' letting the shorthand for the 90s fall to Creed, Bush and Matchbox 20???

Even if you want to shit on the Seattle scene and label all the bands "grunge" (which we can fight about later), why isn't the shorthand something like: NIN, Dinosaur Jr/Pixies & Tribe/Wu-Tang/Biggie?

Its the same thing as what you are expressing with Empire Records. Ok move, I've seen it - but "quintessential 90s"?
FUCK. OFF.

It makes want to go full Henry Rollins and punch some ass-hat for stealing my microphone.

***Crochety Old Man Rant Over***
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The problem is Creed, Bush and Matchbox moved a shit ton of records (so did Nirvana)… it’s valid short hand. Just because the 60s and 70s had cooler short hand doesn’t negate it. Also having lived through the nineties, there were definitely asshats who loved Creed and wore Nirvana shirts.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Nothing against the soundtrack, it’s fine, but the unearned love my generation pays this utterly mediocre movie still boggles my mind. I will never understand how this film became a 90s cult touchstone. Everything about it feels generic. It’s a movie extensively about a record store written by people that who rarely went to record stores or even really enjoyed music. This is a weird situation where I don’t hate the move, it’s almost painfully MOR in every sense but I hate that this particular movie gets thought of along the same lines as Clerks or Dazed & Confused or Clueless as the quintessential 90s movie. It’s not even the best 90s movie set in a record store, High Fidelity is infinitely better.
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Nee Lewman said:
Funny, I feel the same about Dazed & Confused.
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It’s funny you guys are talking about these two specific movies because for years I was under the impression that Joey Lauren Adams and Renee Zellweger were the same person. I was blown away when I learned it wasn’t the same actress in both movies. In fact, I’m still not entirely sure they’re different people.
 
D Jilla said:
It’s funny you guys are talking about these two specific movies because for years I was under the impression that Joey Lauren Adams and Renee Zellweger were the same person. I was blown away when I learned it wasn’t the same actress in both movies. In fact, I’m still not entirely sure they’re different people.
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Yeah, I think that was common confusion until Jerry McGuire dropped.
 
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