Sutherland Club House

spydrwebb44 said:
I don't know if I ever paid close attention to capacitance. In fact, I know I haven't. Maybe I should? How would I know if my current setup is optimal in this regard?
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With a Grado Sonata3, probably no need to manage capacitance. The Grado MIs have a much lower inductance than most MMs. Ortofon 2M inductance is 600-700 mH; the Grado Sonata3 (low output) is 6 mH. The combination of high capacitance and high inductance is what creates excess brightness with MM cartridges.

Don't worry.
 
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displayname said:
LPS has landed today, but won't be able to really give it a run until Tuesday evening.
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Decided work can wait a little bit. Only time to A/B with 3 tracks for now.
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The difference isn’t immediate or shocking, but it’s there right away out of the box. I know the 20/20 takes a little time to warm up, and I won’t even dive into the break in debate. I’ll just say this is outright impossible to truly A/B without having two 20/20 units on hand with two matching TTs.

But here’s what I noticed on the first pass:
Drums are faster. More crisp. Very slightly some details come to the foreground more easily, but only because I’ve listened back to back. Things are ever slightly more textured and have a better sense of effortlessness to the power in big swings. Again, these are not shocking differences, but they are there.

First track was Daft Punk - Giorgio by Moroder.
Here is where I noticed the drums just feeling more tight and crisp. Throughout the long interlude the snare drum felt more apparent. Like a full drum kit instead of a driving beat. It seems slightly easier to differentiate the drum kit from the electronic drum beat. Maybe Giorgio’s vocals felt like they were in a larger space. Maybe I was just paying more attention.

I followed this with two tracks by Tracy Chapman: Fast Car and Across the Lines. On Fast Car I more strongly feel that Tracy’s voice is in a larger space. So this upgrade is clearly opening things up a little. Instrumentation largely feels the same, expect strums on the bass feel like they linger a little longer. Impact doesn’t feel particularly stronger, but just a bit more refined, and again that little detail of the trailing note comes more to the forefront. I also find myself noticing the drum kit more again. Maybe it’s just today’s fixation, but I seem to really locking in on that difference after swapping power supplies. Moving to Across the Lines, again it’s the drum detail and space on the vocals that I’m noticing the most immediately. Vocals on this album are always captivating, but I had to let the rest of the album run through.

Again, we’re talking small changes overall here. But there is something to this. Of you’re buying new, just consider it the proper way the system is meant to operate, if you already a 20/20 owner, this wouldn’t be the top of my list, but if other things are buttoned up, then it’s worth the while.
 
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For those interested, local store in Toronto.. Not certain they ship to the States but... Those prices are Canadian dollars...

www.canuckaudiomart.com

Sutherland phono stages

Open stock / demo stock SaleMost limited to oneSome models new in the box.Sutherland is a leader in phono stages.Highly recommended.Models available as followsUp to 30% off most modelsKC Vibe $900. Reduced $799Insight $1,200 - SOLDTZ Vibe $1,20020/20 $1,900.Duo $3500. 2 chassisLittle Loco $3500....
www.canuckaudiomart.com www.canuckaudiomart.com
 
displayname said:
Decided work can wait a little bit. Only time to A/B with 3 tracks for now.

Again, we’re talking small changes overall here. But there is something to this. Of you’re buying new, just consider it the proper way the system is meant to operate, if you already a 20/20 owner, this wouldn’t be the top of my list, but if other things are buttoned up, then it’s worth the while.
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The best is yet to come, for sure. I recall the 20/20 opening up considerably after about two weeks of regular use.

Sutherland likely would have been my landing point if it wasn't for liking Grado carts as much as I do. The two just didn't seem to dial in enough for my taste, and I'd already sold my Soundsmith cart beforehand so auditioning with that wasn't a possibility.
 
Mather said:
For those interested, local store in Toronto.. Not certain they ship to the States but... Those prices are Canadian dollars...

www.canuckaudiomart.com

Sutherland phono stages

Open stock / demo stock SaleMost limited to oneSome models new in the box.Sutherland is a leader in phono stages.Highly recommended.Models available as followsUp to 30% off most modelsKC Vibe $900. Reduced $799Insight $1,200 - SOLDTZ Vibe $1,20020/20 $1,900.Duo $3500. 2 chassisLittle Loco $3500....
www.canuckaudiomart.com www.canuckaudiomart.com
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Which model has black front in that ad? I didn't know Sutherland made anything not silver. And my system is committed to the uniform, all-black look so I've never looked at Sutherland.
 
Portland Sheriff said:
Which model has black front in that ad? I didn't know Sutherland made anything not silver. And my system is committed to the uniform, all-black look so I've never looked at Sutherland.
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He’s done limited runs on black front units. I couldn’t tell you the specifics, but I’ve seen them. I feel like someone here has/had a black 20/20 at one point.

But it’s real. Just message the seller and ask for the model.
 
ngower said:
Did you get the LPS new or used? How much play does the power cord have into the LPS unit?
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Got it new. I watched for a used one for over a year, and never found anyone willing to sell one separate from the unit.

I’m going to use it more before I experiment with power cords. I’m sincerely hoping my experience will be that a power cable has a really minimal impact because I don’t want to buy another one, lol
 
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displayname said:
Got it new. I watched for a used one for over a year, and never found anyone willing to sell one separate from the unit.

I’m going to use it more before I experiment with power cords. I’m sincerely hoping my experience will be that a power cable has a really minimal impact because I don’t want to buy another one, lol
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I’m mostly asking cause mine is a little loose and over time can slowly slide out (if I had a nickel….). I plan to ship it into Sutherland to see if they can fix it but just curious
 
It was an old store demo unit, and the plugs into the board are also a tad loose, so I suspect it was just plugged and unplugged a lot. I'm sending the whole thing back to Sutherland hoping they can at least fix the LPS but maybe take a gander at the board just to make sure everything there looks fine.

I only found out about it as sound started fading once while playing and it's because the system was losing power.
 
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