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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I feel like The Sopranos hits in much the same way as The Wire or Band Of Brothers. I would add Deadwood, and Mad Men to that list along with Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul. Game of Thrones would be on my list as well. I would also replace Lost, which is thought provoking but also deeply flawed; with The Leftovers which basically get to a deeper more meaningful place but without all the tail-chasing and dead ends.
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Lost was definitely flawed...but when it hit, it hit deeply. The pilot sucked you in like no other show, the mysteries kept you hooked. The characters were memorable and then every now and then you'd run into an episode like the constant that would emotionally destroy you.

The Sopranos is top five for me , im not saying lost is a better overall show. It's simply for me Lost sticks in my brain better. It's little things more than an overall thing.

Same with mr robot. It's a flawed show, but I think of that show maybe once a month.
 
bdrummond said:
Lost was definitely flawed...but when it hit, it hit deeply. The pilot sucked you in like no other show, the mysteries kept you hooked. The characters were memorable and then every now and then you'd run into an episode like the constant that would emotionally destroy you.

The Sopranos is top five for me , im not saying lost is a better overall show. It's simply for me Lost sticks in my brain better. It's little things more than an overall thing.

Same with mr robot. It's a flawed show, but I think of that show maybe once a month.
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There are mystery shows that land and those that don’t. Even the shows that don’t stick the landing can still be rewatchable and very entertaining in a “it’s the journey, not the destination” sort of way Twin Peaks and West World are two others that are closer to Lost than that regard. There is a fine line that the shows walks between resolving a satisfying mysteries and making things so convoluted that we end up frustrated. If there is more frustration than fun than that’s the dividing line.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
There are mystery shows that land and those that don’t. Even the shows that don’t stick the landing can still be rewatchable and very entertaining in a “it’s the journey, not the destination” sort of way Twin Peaks and West World are two others that are closer to Lost than that regard. There is a fine line that the shows walks between resolving a satisfying mysteries and making things so convoluted that we end up frustrated. If there is more frustration than fun than that’s the dividing line.
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Lost is strange. It didn't stick the landing the first time for me. The second it somehow clicked. The ending is super divisive and I've managed to be on both sides of the fence.
 
bdrummond said:
Lost is strange. It didn't stick the landing the first time for me. The second it somehow clicked. The ending is super divisive and I've managed to be on both sides of the fence.
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My biggest issue with Lost is the length of a network season, knowing what we know about the show. The first time through I was happy with a 20+ episode season as I didn’t know what strands were important to the overall mystery so I was more than happy travel down dead ends if it helped me figure out where the show was headed. But rewatching Lost is a slog as they really had to work some superfluous stuff into each season to stretch it for a full network length and knowing that a lot of those dead ends don’t lead anywhere it makes it harder to enjoy. I feel like if Lost had been six 12 episode seasons they could have gotten to the same place in a much more efficient and fun manner which would make much more open to revisiting but as it stands every time I give it a shot I usually bail by season two or three.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
My biggest issue with Lost is the length of a network season, knowing what we know about the show. The first time through I was happy with a 20+ episode season as I didn’t know what strands were important to the overall mystery so I was more than happy travel down dead ends if it helped me figure out where the show was headed. But rewatching Lost is a slog as they really had to work some superfluous stuff into each season to stretch it for a full network length and knowing that a lot of those dead ends don’t lead anywhere it makes it harder to enjoy. I feel like if Lost had been six 12 episode seasons they could have gotten to the same place in a much more efficient and fun manner which would make much more open to revisiting but as it stands every time I give it a shot I usually bail by season two or three.
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Lost definitely has a lot of bloat for sure. That's an indictment of the network. It can be a bit of a slog but I think the massive size of the cast helped it along a bit.

Twin Peaks suffered the same. Lynch planned for a shorter second season but the Network wanted more...leading to some ridiculous storylines such as "The Mopey Adventures of James Hurley".
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
I’m glad Rob got his, I was afraid the dummies were gonna be dumb and let him slide. It was so obvious that he had to be a traitor when they murdered Derek and got Wes voted out as a faithful, as it was fairly apparent that one of those threes were a Traitor. The most annoying thing about Rob was that he basically ran the show and then got pissy when the Chaos he helped sow by going after Bob came back and bit him. I think they will bring someone else in as Traitor next week as they usually like to at least have 3.

We haven’t watched any of the UK series yet. Part of the appeal for my SO is the abundance of Bravo and RuPaul people. That being said, I could see her adopting the UK series during seasonal lull in her reality TV programming.
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I made that post as I was starting this week’s episode. I agree. I did not enjoy him at all on the Amazing Race and I enjoyed him even less now because that ego is so giant. When I am agreeing with Tom Sandoval, I have a huge problem.
 
Dirtbag Auntie said:
I made that post as I was starting this week’s episode. I agree. I did not enjoy him at all on the Amazing Race and I enjoyed him even less now because that ego is so giant. When I am agreeing with Tom Sandoval, I have a huge problem.
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A total coincidence that Sandoval was right but this will no doubt make him even more unbearable and arrogant.
 
Is it some kind of rule when British people are on a show you have to have no less than 2 actors from game or thrones?

Watching 1923 and there are two so far.
Day of the Jackal had three, which was our last watch. Every time, someone from got pops up.
 
Dirtbag Auntie said:
This is the least enjoyable season of The Traitors. I’m so flabbergasted.

I have watched The Traitors UK seasons 1 and 2 and lovedddd them. Having non “celebs” is so refreshing and more compelling.
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I havent seen the US one yet, but I've seen all of the UK ones and love them. Each season has been slightly different which I enjoy.

Season 1 had a naivety to it as it was new to the contestants (assuming they didn't watch the original Dutch version, which is quite different anyway) and to the BBC.

Season 2 was the one that really made the show "big" here in the UK and the production value really streamlined into what it is now, more polished.

Season 3 was interesting as the contestants finally started to play against the production in addition to each other. They seemed aware of the format and given the previous seasons they started playing the system a bit -
one of the contestants constantly stated there must be a "strong female presence" in the traitors as the previous season was all male. They knew the BBC would want to balance this which gave them an edge
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Selaws said:
I havent seen the US one yet, but I've seen all of the UK ones and love them. Each season has been slightly different which I enjoy.

Season 1 had a naivety to it as it was new to the contestants (assuming they didn't watch the original Dutch version, which is quite different anyway) and to the BBC.

Season 2 was the one that really made the show "big" here in the UK and the production value really streamlined into what it is now, more polished.

Season 3 was interesting as the contestants finally started to play against the production in addition to each other. They seemed aware of the format and given the previous seasons they started playing the system a bit -
one of the contestants constantly stated there must be a "strong female presence" in the traitors as the previous season was all male. They knew the BBC would want to balance this which gave them an edge
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Ooooh I can’t wait to watch season 3. Yes my one big complaint about the UK version is how the women were treated as pawns and not really in the game play.
 
Dirtbag Auntie said:
Ooooh I can’t wait to watch season 3. Yes my one big complaint about the UK version is how the women were treated as pawns and not really in the game play.
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I recommend watching the "Traitors Uncloaked" hosted by the excellent comedian Ed Gamble. We watched it after each episode and theres lots of behind the scenes bits and interviews with the contestants that reveals gameplans etc. Its only 20mins per episode so quite manageable.
 
Selaws said:
I recommend watching the "Traitors Uncloaked" hosted by the excellent comedian Ed Gamble. We watched it after each episode and theres lots of behind the scenes bits and interviews with the contestants that reveals gameplans etc. Its only 20mins per episode so quite manageable.
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What doesn’t Ed host? I’ll have get the vpn going.

Another thing I enjoy about the UK version is that they don’t do the whole bug thing unless that changed in season 3.
 
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