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You're right, maybe trading down would have been the best move, but we the public aren't privy to those dealings so for all we know Myers could have been trying to orchestrate one but couldn't make it happen, we'll never know. Haliburton would have been better...still a 4th guard but he's a big one, we could have made it work. Only reservation is that he's best being the primary playmaker with the ball in his hands, so maybe he wouldn't have thrived in out system. we'll never know.

I probably still would've taken Wiseman over those guys. The center spot has been our weakest position for years and I would've taken the chance to get a post playmaker at that position.

Haliburton is definitely best with the ball in his hands but Curry is also incredible off ball. And Haliburton plays great D and is high IQ. I like him next to Curry more than Poole before even considering that he is the better player.

Anyways, appreciate the convo. These things are always delicate. Bones Hyland is currently unhappy with his playing time and going through a sophmore slump. So there's talk of selling low on him for a playoff ready guy like Caruso. That might make us better this year but could also look reallllly bad a couple of year from now.

I personally wouldnt do it. There's a solid chance he winds up somewhere around a Poole / Maxey level player. Yet having Bones as the primary playmaker off the bench could also easily cost us a playoff series.
 
Kuminga's been amazing the last couple months, we're not trading him lol. Ever since he locked in on defense he's become the new Igoudala on that end of the floor. Easily one of the bright spots of this season.

Wiseman may not be panning out the way people hoped but he was still 100% the right pick at the time. There was absolutely no point in drafting Lamelo, another guard, when we have Steph Klay and Poole. He'd be getting the minutes Divencenzo is now, and probably less as a rookie. GP2 was a big part of last season's championship and he would have played far less if we were allocating minutes to another developing guard. LaMelo's getting his minutes in Charlotte and that's great for his development, it's what would have been great for Wiseman and obviously much better than the tough position he is now, on a veteran "win now" team.

Wiseman's prone to stupid mistakes but I really think it's situational. He either needs to play a lot more in the G league or go to a young bad team where he can get his reps. I think it's a little unfair to him at this point to keep him where he is, but trading him would involve "selling low" so I can also why our FO would be extremely hesitant to do that. It's a tough situation.
I was critical against the Wiseman pick when it happened and I think it's massively holding the warriors back now. He's not just been bad, but one of the worst players in the league when he gets minutes. I like kuminga but not doing everything you can to maximize the team while you have Steph is a huge mistake. So if anyone wants to trade a solid top 8 playoff rotation player for Wiseman, kuminga, moody, etc the warriors should probably do it.
 
Haliburton is definitely best with the ball in his hands but Curry is also incredible off ball. And Haliburton plays great D and is high IQ. I like him next to Curry more than Poole before even considering that he is the better player.

Anyways, appreciate the convo. These things are always delicate. Bones Hyland is currently unhappy with his playing time and going through a sophmore slump. So there's talk of selling low on him for a playoff ready guy like Caruso. That might make us better this year but could also look reallllly bad a couple of year from now.

I personally wouldnt do it. There's a solid chance he winds up somewhere around a Poole / Maxey level player. Yet having Bones as the primary playmaker off the bench could also easily cost us a playoff series.
I haven't watched the nuggets in a while but are they playing drop coverage in the PnR? I think an athletic big who can play 15-20 minutes would be a good target where you don't have to necessarily give up Bones. I don't know about their trade assets but like a Gafford or maybe even trying to get Drummond would launch Denver into no doubt favorites in the west. Would still be vulnerable to a team that can spread but would still be a good move imo
 


20 minute mark. Tangent about resting players. Deeply relateable after I drove from Chicago to Milwaukee and rented a hotel... only for the Nuggets to rest all but one starter. Was still a great experience because Bucks fans are rowdy af, but BS non-the-less.

At least you got to see the Bucks big 3 finally playing together that game! Glad you enjoyed your experience. I was at the game a couple before that against the Pacers where no one played for the Bucks.
 
I haven't watched the nuggets in a while but are they playing drop coverage in the PnR? I think an athletic big who can play 15-20 minutes would be a good target where you don't have to necessarily give up Bones. I don't know about their trade assets but like a Gafford or maybe even trying to get Drummond would launch Denver into no doubt favorites in the west. Would still be vulnerable to a team that can spread but would still be a good move imo

This is gonna be a bit longwindeed but...

Jokic actually prefers to hedge. The D at its best was run that way during the Sap era. Allowed Jokic to do what he does best and create deflections / steals... We only started running drop after all the injuries to save Jokic's energy (and possibly our wings from core injuries).

This year they run drop most of the game, occasionally zone but often switch to hedging in the clutch. We had the #1 clutch D and a top 5 4th quarter D last I checked.

I was going crazy at the beginning of the year because we brought in KCP and Brown and yet the D was the worst itd been in years through roughly November. But Green got hurt and Malone stopped playing DJ..

Now we are playing Zeke (drafted #21 in 20') who is a four that can guard up in most cases and down always. Has done a great job on players like Luka and Kawhi and has the highest defensive rating on the team. He doesn't do much else other than rebounding right now. Was a 40% 3 point shooter on limited sample size his first two years but they reworked his shot for reasons nobody understands (I think to help him around the basket) and now his 3 ball is scattershot.

Playing alongside him during the month and a half Green was out was another 4 who can kinda guard up and down in Cancar. He had been relegated to Jokic's best friend for years while playing really well as Luka's teammate for Slovenia. He's been great this year. He is high IQ, can playmake a bit and is shooting 40% on 3's. He's realllly strong but does get blown by on occasion so is best suited as stretch four or small ball 5. There's also Christian Braun (wing) who plays some of the best D I've seen out of a rookie, is an elite rebounder and incredibley high IQ for a rookie. But he shoots 32% from deep.

All of that to say-- we could use a real backup 5 for limited situations (say playingntue Lakers & Thomas Bryant pr if Jokic is in foul trouble versus the Sixers) but I don't think it's the priority. Having guys who can switch like Cancar and Zeke is more valuable. And I'm not sure they are gonna cut DJ because he's beloved in the lockerroom, doesnt mind not playing and is tutoring Zeke, among others. Oh, and our 2nd rounder from this year is a switchable rim protector whose hype just keeps building.



The big issue is that Jeff Green is washed af. He's slow footed, can't rebound and his 3 has fallen off a cliff... and yet Malone seems to have inserted him back ahead of Cancar for vet / trust reasons. And him and DJ together + Bones is why thr D was so horrid early on.

Since then we have been a top 10 D. In fact we were tied at 12 over all as of last night. Considering we were at 27th entering December that's wild.

So I think the real concern is that you have guys that fit well together but 4 of them (Bones, Zeke, Cancar, Braun) haven't played much in the postseason and the guy who has (Green) is washed but might get played anyways.

So in an ideal word, you want to trade for a vet wing who is trusted in the playoffs. But because we won't be able to keep Bruce Brown in the offseason due to extension rules and don't have many draft picks, upgrading is pretty complicated unless it comes via buyout or sacrificing depth next season.
 
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This is gonna be a bit longwindeed but...

Jokic actually prefers to hedge. The D at its best was run that way during the Sap era. Allowed Jokic to do what he does best and create deflections / steals... We only started running drop after all the injuries to save Jokic's energy (and possibly our wings from core injuries).

This year they run drop most of the game, occasionally zone but often switch to hedging in the clutch. We had the #1 clutch D and a top 5 4th quarter D last I checked.

I was going crazy at the beginning of the year because we brought in KCP and Brown and yet the D was the worst itd been in years through roughly November. But Green got hurt and Malone stopped playing DJ..

Now we are playing Zeke (drafted #21 in 20') who is a four that can guard up in most cases and down always. Has done a great job on players like Luka and Kawhi and has the highest defensive rating on the team. He doesn't do much else other than rebounding right now. Was a 40% 3 point shooter on limited sample size his first two years but they reworked his shot for reasons nobody understands (I think to help him around the basket) and now his 3 ball is scattershot.

Playing alongside him during the month and a half Green was out was another 4 who can kinda guard up and down in Cancar. He had been relegated to Jokic's best friend for years while playing really well as Luka's teammate for Slovenia. He's been great this year. He is high IQ, can playmake a bit and is shooting 40% on 3's. He's realllly strong but does get blown by on occasion so is best suited as stretch four or small ball 5. There's also Christian Braun (wing) who plays some of the best D I've seen out of a rookie, is an elite rebounder and incredibley high IQ for a rookie. But he shoots 32% from deep.

All of that to say-- we could use a real backup 5 for limited situations (say playingntue Lakers & Thomas Bryant pr if Jokic is in foul trouble versus the Sixers) but I don't think it's the priority. Having guys who can switch like Cancar and Zeke is more valuable. And I'm not sure they are gonna cut DJ because he's beloved in the lockerroom, doesnt mind not playing and is tutoring Zeke, among others. Oh, and our 2nd rounder from this year is a switchable rim protector whose hype just keeps building.



The big issue is that Jeff Green is washed af. He's slow footed, can't rebound and his 3 has fallen off a cliff... and yet Malone seems to have inserted him back ahead of Cancar for vet / trust reasons. And him and DJ together + Bones is why thr D was so horrid early on.

Since then we have been a top 10 D. In fact we were tied at 12 over all as of last night. Considering we were at 27th entering December that's wild.

So I think the real concern is that you have guys that fit well together but 4 of them (Bones, Zeke, Cancar, Braun) haven't played much in the postseason and the guy who has (Green) is washed but might get played anyways.

So in an ideal word, you want to trade for a vet wing who is trusted in the playoffs. But because we won't be able to keep Bruce Brown in the offseason due to extension rules and don't have many draft picks, upgrading is pretty complicated unless it comes via buyout or sacrificing depth next season.

How about Naz Reid for Bones Hyland?
 
How about Naz Reid for Bones Hyland?

Naz is a worse defender than Zeke while adding offense but plays the same position. He, Zeke and Cancar are all PF. Kyle Anderson for Bones? Sure. But with Bones in a prolonged slump and the way Kyle is playing MN probably isn't doing that.

That said, yesterday's game was a demonstration in exactly how washed Jeff Green is. -12 in 19 minutes. There was one stretch in the 1st half where he gave up 3 offensive rebounds resulting in puts backs and got scrambled on the perimeter resulting in two open threes.

Nuggets fans are livid he's back ahead of Cancar in the rotation.

Also, probs to Embid yesterday. He wanted that game badly and was incredible.
 
Naz is a worse defender than Zeke while adding offense but plays the same position. He, Zeke and Cancar are all PF. Kyle Anderson for Bones? Sure. But with Bones in a prolonged slump and the way Kyle is playing MN probably isn't doing that.

That said, yesterday's game was a demonstration in exactly how washed Jeff Green is. -12 in 19 minutes. There was one stretch in the 1st half where he gave up 3 offensive rebounds resulting in puts backs and got scrambled on the perimeter resulting in two open threes.

Nuggets fans are livid he's back ahead of Cancar in the rotation.

Also, probs to Embid yesterday. He wanted that game badly and was incredible.
I cannot imagine the Wolves trade Slomo, but they have done stupid things plenty of times before
 
I cannot imagine the Wolves trade Slomo, but they have done stupid things plenty of times before
Every contender outside of the Celtics are looking for competent playoff wings and it seems like there are fewer sellers this year. Not sure what the Crowder situation is and the reported asking price for OG is very high. They could maybe get a haul for Anderson.
 
I cannot imagine the Wolves trade Slomo, but they have done stupid things plenty of times before

I mean MN is trying to win now so, I agree, they won't do it.

Bones has stupid high upside on offense. Several advanced metrics rate him as the most offensively impactful player in his draft class despite the fact that he struggles to finish at the rim right now. Players ranging from Chris Paul to Ja have called him one of their favorite young players to watch for a reason. He has an elite handle and elite range...

The problem is he is almost as bad defensively as he is impactful offensively and he's still learning how to be a primary playmaker. And while he's getting better at reading the court and using his length, he's always gonna be a twig that can be abused on switches.

So ya, it's a tricky situation because you're at real risk of selling low. Which we've already done with Nurk and Vanderbilt. And to a lesser degree Bol which is part of why we are so asset poor

I certainly wouldn't do Naz straight up. The Nuggets asking price is reportedly a rotation player + a 1st. Something like Caruso + a 1st. And I'd probably do that.

But as somebody who lives in Chicago and was in LA when he helped them win a ring-- as good as Alex is defensively he's not a good playmaker and is averaging 5 ppg for a reason. The bench would have a derth of creation + shotmaking and really struggle to score. Plus, you have Braun whose main comps coming out of school were literally Caruso.

Which is why the only I'd only feel 100% good about trading Bones now is if it's for a quality vet whose valuable on both ends ala Kyle Anderson. Otherwise, trade Jeff Green for a bag of chips to save Malone from himself and look for a backup big on the buyout market.
 
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i feel like it's already longer than expected but not sure how long he was supposed to be out for.

kyrie couldn't have requested the trade sooner before he torched us the other night??
That’s why this is weird, he’s seemingly caring the load. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.
 
So letting him sit whenever he feels like it and giving him the absolute minimum penalty for spreading hate propoganda wasn't enough for him huh? What a diva.
NBA media when discussing their all star selections

Player misses 10 games for injury and load management: A moral failing. A pox on their family for multiple generations.

Player misses 8 games for antisemitism: **crickets**
 
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