Vinyl Me Please Essentials

[keylime_5]

Well 2 of them are imo

I do agree the Stooges is an essential pick but why the John cale mix and not the original.

Because the original is widely available for cheap (normally around $16 on amazon) and it's a AAA pressing by Rhino. Plus they did a RSD deluxe edition a couple years ago. There were actually some Cale mixes as bonus tracks on that edition.

 

[dhodo]

I think that this is a fantastic curio for Stooges fans to have in their collection, but in terms of members who don't really know The Stooges I think that this is generally a disservice to this album. The Cale mix is tinny and distorted and while it's definitely interesting in terms of the differences between it and the wide release mixing in my opinion it's a much tougher listen than the wide release. It's certainly more raw, it certainly sounds more "punk", but in my opinion it's inferior to the wide release mix. But I also have the Bowie and the Iggy Raw Power Mix along with the Iggy Raw Power Mix/KG remix so this wouldn't be the first duplicate Stooges album in my collection. But seriously, if you don't know this album, I'd suggest checking out the KG remaster before you make the JC mix your go to...

They should have done the same thing and included both. That Raw Power double is still available for $24. If this is just a GZ cut of the Cale mix, it certainly is not essential to me when I have the Rhino of the normal mix (still available for $20) and it is excellent.

It's one thing for VMP to provide a reissue that already exists, but they really shouldn't be going up against any of the excellent Rhino reissues with the only difference being that it is an obscure mix and with VMP's record, probably worse mastering. If they went all analog and made it both mixes, it makes much more sense.

 

[TheThinWhiteDuke]

Because the original is widely available for cheap (normally around $16 on amazon) and it's a AAA pressing by Rhino. Plus they did a RSD deluxe edition a couple years ago. There were actually some Cale mixes as bonus tracks on that edition.

Do you have a link to one of these bc I cannot find it

 

[keylime_5]

Do you have a link to one of these bc I cannot find it

This is it:The Stooges - The Stooges - Amazon.com Music

(Note that due to amazon's crazy state during coronavirus, the prices and quantities and ship dates are out of wack compared to what they typically are during normal times. This bad boy is usually $15.99, or at least around $20 when in stock)

 

[Selaws]

Sorry my dudes, but can someone explain to me what the 'cale mix' actually is? Im a complete novice when it comes to The Stooges so im intrigued by this. Is it the same tracklisting as the original?

 

[tonythegamer]

Sorry my dudes, but can someone explain to me what the 'cale mix' actually is? Im a complete novice when it comes to The Stooges so im intrigued by this. Is it the same tracklisting as the original?

John Cale was the original engineer for the Stooges first album, but the mix was never released due to the label I believe. It's only seen as bonus tracks on deluxe editions, but never fully on vinyl

 

[dhodo]

This is it:The Stooges - The Stooges - Amazon.com Music

(Note that due to amazon's crazy state during coronavirus, the prices and quantities and ship dates are out of wack compared to what they typically are during normal times. This bad boy is usually $15.99, or at least around $20 when in stock)

Hmm, it does seem like it is pretty scarce at the moment all around.

 

[dhodo]

If they were going to do it this way and use one obscure mix I think The Velvet Underground closet mix would have been a much better choice.

 

[djdavedk]

You can get SOME of the Cale mixes on the 2LP versions

The Stooges - The Stooges

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2013 Vinyl release of "The Stooges" on Discogs.

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The Stooges - The Stooges

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2019 Vinyl release of "The Stooges" on Discogs.

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The Stooges - The Stooges

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2018 Vinyl release of "The Stooges" on Discogs.

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More Cale mixes on this CD set

The Stooges - The Stooges (Collectors Edition)

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2010 CD release of "The Stooges (Collectors Edition)" on Discogs.

www.discogs.com

 

[scotthilk]

I do not own any Stooges, so I am stoked for this.

 

[mitchwagz]

If they were going to do it this way and use one obscure mix I think The Velvet Underground closet mix would have been a much better choice.

I have both an early UK pressing with the closet mix and a later 80’s pressing with the Valentin mix. I think if you’re a fan you definitely need both. Totally different experience for some songs.

 

[scotthilk]

I do not own any Stooges, so I am stoked for this.

Is there SERIOUSLY a reason I shouldn't get this version and get the other mix? I am a casual fan, so I am not overly worried about the sound quality differences.

 

[duke86fan]

Is there SERIOUSLY a reason I shouldn't get this version and get the other mix? I am a casual fan, so I am not overly worried about the sound quality differences.

The original is what the band and label approved

Besides John cale sounding rougher and thinner

 

[scotthilk]

The original is what the band and label approved

Besides John cale sounding rougher and thinner

Why is VMP releasing this version then, if the consensus is that the mix sucks? Am I missing something?

 

[duke86fan]

Why is VMP releasing this version then, if the consensus is that the mix sucks? Am I missing something?

Because the full thing was never released on vinyl

 

[TCell]

If you start going down a rabbit hole of which VMP albums are "Essential" or "Classics" or even "Rap/Hip Hop" then you are going to have a bad time

I don't know, I'd think listening to the limited number of Essentials that are actually "Essential" and Classics that are actually "Classic" would be more enjoyable than listening to Ole Dead Eyes, Tennis, and Lloyd Miller.

 

[keylime_5]

The mix doesn't suck, it's more raw and a less polished, but I actually think the drums sound better on it and dig the way the vocals are set. It's an interesting alternative version and a lot better than some alternate mixes. John Cale was a risk-taker to say the least.

 

[duke86fan]

I don't know, I'd think listening to the limited number of Essentials that are actually "Essential" and Classics that are actually "Classic" would be more enjoyable than listening to Ole Dead Eyes, Tennis, and Lloyd Miller.

Ole dead eyes?

I mean you can also mention nada surf, that new seater Kinney, Cecilia y Johnny, Mr. Hands, Sarah Webster fabio

And including hip hop. N.E.R.D

 

[AndySlash]

VMP is also doing the 3 months of Essentials announcements this week.

good to hear. my sub is up and i need more incentive than an alt-mixed stooges album to keep going. other than a couple aotms and exclusives, only fomo and membership longevity has kept me in the last few cycles, and i think the last year of vmp fuckery has finally worn me down. there was a time where cam mentioned that older members might get some sort of tangible acknowledgement for sticking around for so long, but - *shocker* - nothing like that ever materialized other than the 'you've been a member since the early days, keep on spinnin'!' note on your sub page, but even that is gone now. hopefully by announcing 3mo out, they have something real good up their sleeves.

 

[jamieanderson1968]

I just wonder if it will only be the Cale mix or if there will be anything else tacked on? It will be a short record, less than 29min total by my count.