Vinyl Me Please Essentials

Rowan said:
Maybe and while I get that there are a load of freaks and weirdos who are balls deep on VMP Fundamentalism who would shun an alternative press, regardless of pedigree, for some GZ piece of shit (as well as the really well pressed QRP/RTI affairs) and they may decide that they want this, whatever it is. But Surely VMP's business model should also include an understanding on when its essentials were last released and is the customer base going to be astute enough to have a quick check to see if they can get and equally well (or potentially superior) pressing for less outlay. A press that in some cases has been out for a month or so. And I'm not talkign about the same new releases that are all pressed for multiple suppliers at the same plant but in a variety of colours.

Equally they may have had this sitting on the backburner for ages while they ready the Country Track and have been waiting until that is close to put this out as a bit of promo and the Rhino has just been unfortunate timing.
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IMO and from the majority feedback I see, most VMP pressings sound great, even if they are at GZ.
Essentials is "Records your collection is incomplete without". That's it. No way to please anyone but obviously their business model is working. But this is the same thing every release announcement cycle, so whatever whatever.

It's a great record that certainly fits the Essentials label and I'm sure will be a great package for those who decide to get it.
 
wynn72 said:
IMO and from the majority feedback I see, most VMP pressings sound great, even if they are at GZ.
Essentials is "Records your collection is incomplete without". That's it. No way to please anyone but obviously their business model is working. But this is the same thing every release announcement cycle, so whatever whatever.

It's a great record that certainly fits the Essentials label and I'm sure will be a great package for those who decide to get it.
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Yeah I have no doubt that this will sound great and I’m sure the package will be good too but it just seems like bizarre timing. I thought the Rhino issue was going to be available indefinitely and now I’m not sure if that is the case. VMP might be the easiest way to get the record now for those that missed out on the Rhino repress.

By all means please get the record though if you don’t have it already. It’s a classic that everyone should at least give a chance. I’m on the fence if I’m going to pick it up. I’ll wait and see what they do with the package. Like a bunch of others here though, I already have a perfect pressing of it.
 
mitchwagz said:
Yeah I have no doubt that this will sound great and I’m sure the package will be good too but it just seems like bizarre timing. I thought the Rhino issue was going to be available indefinitely and now I’m not sure if that is the case. VMP might be the easiest way to get the record now for those that missed out on the Rhino repress.

By all means please get the record though if you don’t have it already. It’s a classic that everyone should at least give a chance. I’m on the fence if I’m going to pick it up. I’ll wait and see what they do with the package. Like a bunch of others here though, I already have a perfect pressing of it.
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Yeah the timing is a bit odd, but maybe the fact it was getting repressed is what allowed VMP the ability to do it? Also, as I've mentioned before, despite rhino being huge, those reissues never seem to be in print for long.

As someone who loves Country and Prine, this is a record that I think alot of people know exists but never have really listened to. Country is written off by alot of folks who may not have been aware or care enough to buy that reissue but will now have it in their collection because of this sub and will likely love it. That's the point the of the Essentials line.

And if not, there's always swaps.
 
Rowan said:
Equally they may have had this sitting on the backburner for ages while they ready the Country Track and have been waiting until that is close to put this out as a bit of promo and the Rhino has just been unfortunate timing.
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Or I wonder if something happened with what was slated for the January release and Prine was initially to the be first release for the Country stream.
 
jamieanderson1968 said:
Or I wonder if something happened with what was slated for the January release and Prine was initially to the be first release for the Country stream.
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I wouldn't be surprised if another Prine album winds up being one of the first Country track releases. In this case, it might work to VMP's advantage; introduce Prine to a lot of people on the Essentials track so that when Country is announced a few months later you potentially have a bunch of new fans wanting more to add to their collection.
 
mitchwagz said:
I still don’t get the pick at all. Did VMP get the rights to distribute or something? I was under the impression the the AAA Kevin Gray Rhino cut was going to be available for the foreseeable future (I know that version isn’t particularly available anymore, but thought it was just a pressing plant backed up issue).
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None of the available ones are on splatter colors.
 
wynn72 said:
lol good point. I should add a "*If they make it to you unwarped and you don't have an Ortofon Black"

I gotta say as someone who's a bit OCD, I had to condition myself to stop caring about Seam Splits and Warps on records because I would have driven myself insane.
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I think that the quality in vmp pressings has come down a bit in the last year. De Stijl for example.

Lots of people on this forum try to convince themselves that VMP always puts out the best sounding version of any album they release. This is simply not true. If you read this forum regularly its easy to be convinced that it is true.
 
JonnyH said:
I think that the quality in vmp pressings has come down a bit in the last year. De Stijl for example.

Lots of people on this forum try to convince themselves that VMP always puts out the best sounding version of any album they release. This is simply not true. If you read this forum regularly its easy to be convinced that it is true.
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I'm under no impression that is true. I just disagree with the "VMP GZ pressings are trash" rhetoric.

I don't think they are always the best pressings available in many cases. I just think they are generally worth the money.
De Stijl is a bad example too, because that was pressed by Third Man and I doubt there was any negotiation there. It's still VMPs name on it so ultimately they are responsible but that was a one off.
 
wynn72 said:
I'm under no impression that is true. I just disagree with the "VMP GZ pressings are trash" rhetoric.

I don't think they are always the best pressings available in many cases. I just think they are generally worth the money.
De Stijl is a bad example too, because that was pressed by Third Man and I doubt there was any negotiation there. It's still VMPs name on it so ultimately they are responsible but that was a one off.
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I mean half of my dead box is pure dog shit and that was QRP, my Coleman Hawkins has a massive fucked section during the first track. That's QRP my Billie Holiday is an absolute mess. Like a total, complete mess. Is that GZ though? So maybe it's a VMP thing and not a GZ thing
 
Rowan said:
I mean half of my dead box is pure dog shit and that was QRP, my Coleman Hawkins has a massive fucked section during the first track. That's QRP my Billie Holiday is an absolute mess. Like a total, complete mess. Is that GZ though? So maybe it's a VMP thing and not a GZ thing
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Holiday is GZ, but plated at QRP I think. Which is fine and all but when the pressing plant is incapable of producing a good percentage of clean copies then what difference does it really make.

Yes I hate GZ, because I think that while they are CAPABLE of putting out a quality product, they frequently don't. I'm sure my opinion on this is partially coloured by the fact that they produce SO MUCH of today's pressings that I have a higher percentage of issues with them as a result. But I think it also comes down to how careful a label is with the product they're being supplied with from any given plant. Take MOV, they use RTI. I've had no fill on RTI pressings, warps, stitching etc... But on MOV copies pressed at RTI, zero. The occasional warp, but zero no fill, crackle, stitching etc... That's down to the level of care MOV are taking, or paying for from from RTI. I don't necessarily find that level of care on most GZ vinyl. I don't know if that's GZs fault, or the labels fault. But either way I just try to avoid them. One thing I do find odd though, and maybe this comes down to the numbers of pressings per stamper, I dunno... But I seldom if ever have any sound issues with the VMP RHH track which also comes from GZ. Perhaps it's because they aren't having to press 30,000 of them. But I find it odd that I almost never have to worry about RHH, while Essentials has been playing out like a low odds lottery on getting a good copy for the past year or so.
 
Rowan said:
I mean half of my dead box is pure dog shit and that was QRP, my Coleman Hawkins has a massive fucked section during the first track. That's QRP my Billie Holiday is an absolute mess. Like a total, complete mess. Is that GZ though? So maybe it's a VMP thing and not a GZ thing
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My Dead box is great, my Coleman Hawkins sounds flawless. So I dunno. Not denying the issues exist, they're well documented with the dead box.

I'm sure I'll be thought of as a VMP shrill but I used to trash them like crazy when they were incapable of shipping records on time and they were always damaged (queue the "when?" jokes).
Since they've gotten better at that (I don't blame them for delays that effect the whole industry this year), I have no issues. Pressings are quality and very much worth the money for me.
 
Mather said:
Take MOV, they use RTI. I've had no fill on RTI pressings, warps, stitching etc... But on MOV copies pressed at RTI, zero. The occasional warp, but zero no fill, crackle, stitching etc... That's down to the level of care MOV are taking, or paying for from from RTI
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actually MOV is owned by Record Industry.. not Record Technology Incorporated


so every MOV is pressed at Record Industry in the Netherlands. so its not an RTI pressing. so the comparison doesn't work (though i have had a LOT of good luck with Record Industry, not any warps though i do notice crackle but EVERY record has static and crackle for me and i think its my stylus)
 
duke86fan said:
actually MOV is owned by Record Industry.. not Record Technology Incorporated


so every MOV is pressed at Record Industry in the Netherlands. so its not an RTI pressing. so the comparison doesn't work (though i have had a LOT of good luck with Record Industry, not any warps though i do notice crackle but EVERY record has static and crackle for me and i think its my stylus)
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Right, sorry yes you're correct but everything I said still stands, I mixed up the names... it's RI that I've had more issues with, but never in regards to MOV.
In fact that actually speaks even further to my point about the care being taken by the label, I didn't realize RI owns MOV. That makes perfect sense in terms of why MOV releases have little to no pressing issues vs other RI releases I have. (Again, just in my experience, your mileage may vary...)
 
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