Vinyl Me Please Essentials
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jamieanderson1968
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Stone or Stallone?
MikeH
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Sly Stone but also Frank Stallone for classics.
bdrummond
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MikeH
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i mean...that ain't no "boring middle of the road pick". top tier album that doesn't have a very good affordable reissue. i was listening to the ORG pressing today and it's such an amazing album.
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4080
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You're welcome?
Not a boring pick by any means but a WOW I can't believe they did it!?! Not really, unless it's WOW you haven't done a Sly Stone album yet?
MikeH
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I don't think the Sly will be in the first quarter or the "wow" pick btw. My comment was not connected to any of the convo going on before it. I had just seen the Sly mention on discord and was listening to the album this AM.
Joe Mac
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I think from what I remember of the paraphrasing in here around that time it was that they think we’d be kinda surprised they'd go there as much as anything else. Which would be an 80s album by a woman who both isn’t white and isn’t American tbh.
tvham
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Ericj32
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It will be Kanye, and they'll throw in a cute little sticker of a white t-shirt that says something awful like "vinyl lives matter".
That would definitely get people saying "wow, I can't believe they did that".
also here is a discussion Storf had with another VMP writer from back in 2018: What Does It Mean To Like The New Kanye Album?
"It didn’t occur to me till this tweet that it’s not just us who’s tired; Kanye is too. Kanye has clearly been dealing with issues more vast than any of us will — and should — ever know. Through Yeezus (and I’d even throw in Life of Pablo, though I know I’m in the minority there), he left one of the most peerless catalogs in the history of American music; he’s not the best at rapping, but he’s the best rapper of all time, you know? "
That would definitely get people saying "wow, I can't believe they did that".
also here is a discussion Storf had with another VMP writer from back in 2018: What Does It Mean To Like The New Kanye Album?
"It didn’t occur to me till this tweet that it’s not just us who’s tired; Kanye is too. Kanye has clearly been dealing with issues more vast than any of us will — and should — ever know. Through Yeezus (and I’d even throw in Life of Pablo, though I know I’m in the minority there), he left one of the most peerless catalogs in the history of American music; he’s not the best at rapping, but he’s the best rapper of all time, you know? "
bdrummond
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I honestly don't know if you're being serious here...
The idea just went from terrible to catastrophic in one sentence.
MikeH
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I get that people like to pile on Storf....but it's not gonna be Kanye...and 2018 Kanye was just the start of his meltdowns IIRC.
bdrummond
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Ah 2018 Kanye....around the time most of his controversies were "No you can't reclaim the confederate flag. Ugh, you're really weirdly controlling about Kim and Why the fuck are you charging motherfuckers $150 for a branded $5 T-shirt?".
What a simpler time that was.
What a simpler time that was.
Ericj32
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Kanye was also saying that slavery was a choice in 2018. I'll guess I'll have to quote more of that article here:
"In the off chance you’re (you, the reader) reading this without knowing the backstory, here it is in broad strokes: In April, Kanye returned to Twitter for a couple blissful days of DMTweets before he spent significant time tweeting about Jordan Peterson (your favorite Incel’s favorite fake smart person), Candace Owens (I admit, I had to Google her), donned a MAGA hat, and talked a lot about how he “loves” Donald Trump, because he can see the good in all people. Also somewhere in there he went on TMZ and said slavery is a choice. I’m not near the smartest person to offer a take on this, so instead I’d direct readers to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ piece in The Atlantic.
Publicly admitting you love Kanye West and think he makes the best music always came with some baggage — it opened you to Facebook comments from white men in their 30s telling you his music wasn’t even music; it also willfully played “you can’t see me!” with his painfully unwoke lyrics about women in his life — but now saying you love ye comes with taking the whole kit and kaboodle. Loving ye means you’re at some level OK with the MAGA hat, the slavery quotes, the horrible fast fashion clothing. It’s been a shaky ass year.
And that’s why I wanted to talk to you here: I think I actually kinda like ye. The crux of the Coates piece is that Kanye wants to have the average-ness of white male freedom where you can say dumb ass shit and keep your career (see: Mayer, John), and it took me to hearing PARTYNEXTDOOR singing over twinkling keys on “Wouldn’t Leave” to forget everything, even if he literally mentions his TMZ quotes in his first couple bars on that very song. Despite me wanting to stay resolute in the face of the bullshit, I’ve listened to “Ghost Town” like 30 times already, and it makes me think the Kanye-CuDi album on Friday is actually going to be a masterpiece. Kanye still makes the music that sounds the best, even if everything else is insidious.
It turns out my ability to separate the artist from the art — which after being staunch in the belief of the need to separate, I’ve been convinced that’s ultimately a position of privilege; if you can separate art and artist you often have not been targeted by their crimes/diatribes/lyrics — is iron-clad when I hear Charlie Wilson doing his thing over Kanye soul chops. Kanye’s greatest strength, all along, has been his ability to pull in tons of people/collaborators/performers into his orbit, and playing them perfectly; his use of Ty Dolla $ign is more virtuoustic than anyone’s use of a guitar right now.
I guess I’m saying I like ye. "
"In the off chance you’re (you, the reader) reading this without knowing the backstory, here it is in broad strokes: In April, Kanye returned to Twitter for a couple blissful days of DMTweets before he spent significant time tweeting about Jordan Peterson (your favorite Incel’s favorite fake smart person), Candace Owens (I admit, I had to Google her), donned a MAGA hat, and talked a lot about how he “loves” Donald Trump, because he can see the good in all people. Also somewhere in there he went on TMZ and said slavery is a choice. I’m not near the smartest person to offer a take on this, so instead I’d direct readers to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ piece in The Atlantic.
Publicly admitting you love Kanye West and think he makes the best music always came with some baggage — it opened you to Facebook comments from white men in their 30s telling you his music wasn’t even music; it also willfully played “you can’t see me!” with his painfully unwoke lyrics about women in his life — but now saying you love ye comes with taking the whole kit and kaboodle. Loving ye means you’re at some level OK with the MAGA hat, the slavery quotes, the horrible fast fashion clothing. It’s been a shaky ass year.
And that’s why I wanted to talk to you here: I think I actually kinda like ye. The crux of the Coates piece is that Kanye wants to have the average-ness of white male freedom where you can say dumb ass shit and keep your career (see: Mayer, John), and it took me to hearing PARTYNEXTDOOR singing over twinkling keys on “Wouldn’t Leave” to forget everything, even if he literally mentions his TMZ quotes in his first couple bars on that very song. Despite me wanting to stay resolute in the face of the bullshit, I’ve listened to “Ghost Town” like 30 times already, and it makes me think the Kanye-CuDi album on Friday is actually going to be a masterpiece. Kanye still makes the music that sounds the best, even if everything else is insidious.
It turns out my ability to separate the artist from the art — which after being staunch in the belief of the need to separate, I’ve been convinced that’s ultimately a position of privilege; if you can separate art and artist you often have not been targeted by their crimes/diatribes/lyrics — is iron-clad when I hear Charlie Wilson doing his thing over Kanye soul chops. Kanye’s greatest strength, all along, has been his ability to pull in tons of people/collaborators/performers into his orbit, and playing them perfectly; his use of Ty Dolla $ign is more virtuoustic than anyone’s use of a guitar right now.
I guess I’m saying I like ye. "
duke86fan
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It's not going to be Kanye
If just because Kanye should never be consistent enough to do an rotm, he'd try to cancel it and claim they said something wrong and cause some dumb drama
He couldn't be a headliner for any of his concerts so much that Coachella basically already preannounced the replacement. How would be have enough sanity got the 6 months or so to work for a vinyl release
If just because Kanye should never be consistent enough to do an rotm, he'd try to cancel it and claim they said something wrong and cause some dumb drama
He couldn't be a headliner for any of his concerts so much that Coachella basically already preannounced the replacement. How would be have enough sanity got the 6 months or so to work for a vinyl release
Ericj32
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I'm not saying that it would be a good idea - I'm not a fan of Kanye or VMP, and I'm in no way trying to, like, manifest this outcome. I'm saying I would not be at all surprised if they were so excited about putting out the only official release of the album that they would find a way to convince themselves that it's ok. They're both beholden to the cult of hype and willing to do seemingly anything for money and attention.
I just don't know what's off-limits from their perspective if they put out a mediocre John Mayer album that no one asked for in Essentials in July 2020, just a few weeks/months after we all learned the names Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and George Floyd. Just a few weeks after the instagram black square thing, they put out an Essentials ROTM by their 5th white artist in a row - one who had pretty famously gone on the record in an interview saying some pretty racist things (with a much flimsier case than Kanye's for any possible insanity defense).
Ericj32
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I feel like it's rare that the artists themselves are involved in the ROTM. Like maybe they'll be involved in changing the artwork or something (I think they mentioned that with the Feist ROTM).
I do think he would be difficult to work with, but once he signed a contract and got paid, I don't think it would matter what he did.