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keylime_5 said:
The minute that you ignore the personal and political lives of the artists and just enjoy the music (assuming the music doesn't contain any strong abrasive political stuff) then the happier you will be. I don't care what Ted Nugget, Kane West, Eric Clapton, Phil Spector, Van Morrison think or do in their own lives (especially those old guys who are grumpy old men now). But I enjoy the heck out of their music and focus on that, because there is none of that dramatic nonsense to be found in the art typically. Some people read the headlines and can't separate music from the personal lives of these guys and I can respect that, but that's just my philosophy. I think it's dumb to not touch someone like Kanye as a reissue label just because he's a sensationalist, attention-seeking probably pretend racist with fame/personal issues, yet they have no problem putting out Miles Davis music over and over (who was known to beat the hell out of women). Double standards. Just listen to the tunes and ignore their real life personal drama.

Of course there are lines, I can understand not selling or buying the license to use stuff from child rapists like Gary Glitter obviously.
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I could not disagree with this more.
 
Sometimes it’s tough to give money to someone who is still actively promoting false and antisemitic talking points that there is secret cabal of Jews controlling the entertainment and banking industry and that they murdered Virgil Abloh (who died of cancer).

I won’t eat Oberweise Ice Cream either even though it’s delicious because Jim Oberweis is an asshole.
But to each their own.
 
bdrummond said:
There's no such thing as "pretend racism" once your racist thoughts leave your brain and comes out of your mouth (or typed out by your fingers). ESPECIALLY when there's no "haha I'm joking" or "this was satire guys" immediately following.

It's racism.
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I'm with you on this, although if anything I have less patience for the haha just kidding (with anything -- sexism, homophobia, whatever, not just racism) than when someone says something they really obviously mean or believe in. I find both offensive but the lack of conviction behind the haha j/k! is something i find particularly galling
 
yukbon said:
I'm with you on this, although if anything I have less patience for the haha just kidding (with anything -- sexism, homophobia, whatever, not just racism) than when someone says something they really obviously mean or believe in. I find both offensive but the lack of conviction behind the haha j/k! is something i find particularly galling
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Oh I agree with this as well. I'm pointing out that there's zero reason to use "pretend" in describing Kanye's antisemitism. He's not joking, this is not satire, and quite frankly it's pretty gross saying that Kanye is pretend racist without anything indicating what he's saying is either of the two.

It's 2022 and I am not fucking around with racism. Even within my own race.
Kanye is straight up racist not only to Jewish people, but his own race. Don't try and dick me around with this "pretend" shit.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Yup, and everyone’s lines are different.
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Yes and when talking about whether a company should reissue it, rather than should I buy it, we have to hold them to account by the positions they take. VMP don’t portray themselves as a big bland evil corp, like say sony, that literally don’t give a fuck and leave the decision up to the consumer. They deliberately attach themselves to every progressive agenda out there. You gotta back that up and if you don’t you deserve all the shit that rains down on you.
 
Why are we even talking about this considering I thought we all agreed that VMP wouldn't do Nas because he's too problematic? Like this is a slam dunk here guys.

Kanye is abusive* and racist. There should be no discussion of "will they actually do this"?

EDIT: * We're focusing on all the racism and ignoring the fact that Kanye was showing signs of an abusive partner right from the get around Kim.
 
Gavaxeman said:
Personally they shouldn’t do Kanye cause his music is awful (imo)
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Oh hey look...there's music being all subjective and shit.

I'm guessing you're not a big hip hop fan?
From a pure hip hop perspective, I think you can argue the man has 3, maybe 4 top 100 hip hop albums. It's truly a shame that the man and the music are two truly different beasts.
 
bdrummond said:
Oh hey look...there's music being all subjective and shit.

I'm guessing you're not a big hip hop fan?
From a pure hip hop perspective, I think you can argue the man has 3, maybe 4 top 100 hip hop albums. It's truly a shame that the man and the music are two truly different beasts.
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I'm a big hip hop fan, and right from the beginning I haven't been able to understand the Kanye hype. I'll admit I stopped even trying after the first three, but I've never been able to see him ok the level of hype he's received. And with the first two for sure, if not all three, there was no personality stuff tainting my experience - it was clean slate back then. I definitely didn't consider it awful, but I didn't consider it game-changing either.

#musicissubjective
 
avecigrec said:
I'm a big hip hop fan, and right from the beginning I haven't been able to understand the Kanye hype. I'll admit I stopped even trying after the first three, but I've never been able to see him ok the level of hype he's received. And with the first two for sure, if not all three, there was no personality stuff tainting my experience - it was clean slate back then. I definitely didn't consider it awful, but I didn't consider it game-changing either.

#musicissubjective
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I don't necessarily think that Kanye is changing the game in any way. To me his genius comes in his ability to produce rock solid produced albums from start to finish. College Dropout, Late Registration and MBDTF are all start to finish no skip fantastic albums imo. His production is amazing...lyrically to me he may not be the best, but they're good enough that paired with the production that he's got a ton of classic rap tracks for any kind of mood.

For me a great rap song has to have great production, or great lyricism. Sometimes one negates the need for the other.
Kanye has great production, with good lyrics, which to me puts him in the top tier.

EDIT: What is also impressive about Kanye is that he achieved a level of production on his first album it usually takes several albums and/or mixtapes for a rap artist to achieve. It's not impossible, but going from 0 to College Dropout is a huge achievement. Like goddamn you're going to put out Jesus Walks, All Falls Down, Spaceship and Through the Wire on your DEBUT?! That's colossal.
 
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