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keylime_5 said:
Yeah, the Impulse and Blue Note anthologies to me are outliers in the VMP Anthology series because they are basically leftover stuff they were able to reissue, not the best, most important or definitive albums from the label or artist — which is what all the other anthologies tend to be.
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yet weirdly the BN one is one of my favorite anthologies.

i'd argue also that Herbie is not the most definitive albums from the artist/label. but its what herbie wanted.
 
I mean there are some in the Herbie box that weren't totally ideal, but the box is basically Herbie's career as told through albums just like the Willie box, not necessarily their 7 best albums, but it has 3 of his biggest albums at least. If they did the same thing with Impulse or BN anthologies then you would've seen 3 or 4 albums as essential as A Love Supreme, the Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, etc for Impulse and 3 or 4 albums along the lines of The Sidewinder, Somethin Else, Moanin, Blue Train, out to Lunch, Song for My Father, etc instead of a collection of B and C tier titles.
 
keylime_5 said:
I mean there are some in the Herbie box that weren't totally ideal, but the box is basically Herbie's career as told through albums just like the Willie box, not necessarily their 7 best albums, but it has 3 of his biggest albums at least. If they did the same thing with Impulse or BN anthologies then you would've seen 3 or 4 albums as essential as A Love Supreme, the Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, etc for Impulse and 3 or 4 albums along the lines of The Sidewinder, Somethin Else, Moaning, Blue Train, out to Lunch, Song for My Father, etc instead of a collection of B and C tier titles.
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I happen to think most of the Herbie stuff falls into that B and C tier titles too haha. It all falls down to licensing and what titles haven't been reissued to death in most cases. Quincy Jones too. Most of the Anthologies seem to try to release at least 1 album in it thats really hard to find, then some lesser known or appreciated titles and some of the B/C tier stuff. I don't think any are only definitive albums from an artist's entire career or a labels whole output.
 
Well it had Maiden Voyage, Head Hunters, Takin' Off which would go into any Herbie essential anthology really, plus Future Shock which is one of the best selling "jazz' albums of all time. They decided to go with a couple modern titles too to make it more of a lifetime spanning box set, the only titles that I think they could've done differently are putting some more WB stuff in there instead of VSOP, 1+1 and the Piano. But even still, if Impulse or BN did one just like the Herbie box we still would've seen more essential titles in there. The biggest title in the BN box are some B tier Dexter Gordon, Wayne Shorter, and Lou Donaldson. Stuff that we get in the Tone Poet series every month. I get whey they did it, but just saying those 2 jazz anthologies are really outliers in comparison to every single other anthology in terms of curation. The BN set is really good, but it's like having a tone poet mix and match rather than like what they did with Cadet, Philly Int'l, etc.
 
keylime_5 said:
I mean there are some in the Herbie box that weren't totally ideal, but the box is basically Herbie's career as told through albums just like the Willie box, not necessarily their 7 best albums, but it has 3 of his biggest albums at least. If they did the same thing with Impulse or BN anthologies then you would've seen 3 or 4 albums as essential as A Love Supreme, the Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, etc for Impulse and 3 or 4 albums along the lines of The Sidewinder, Somethin Else, Moanin, Blue Train, out to Lunch, Song for My Father, etc instead of a collection of B and C tier titles.
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I agree that the Blue Note box were not the big name titles, it's still one of my favourite VMP purchases and I still play most of them fairly often in part because they're not as familiar. Also, to say it is a Tone Poet mix and match is a little revisionist, as Tone Poet hadn't flooded the market on BN vinyl at that point.

And while I agree that ALS and BS&SL are the top 2 Impulse albums, of the 4 announced, I'd say Africa/Brass, Karma, and Ptah are top 10(ish) in the Impulse! catalogue. While I assume the other 4 albums will be lesser known titles, we'd all be complaining if they just put out 8 titles that are super easy to find and/or Acoustic Sounds was also doing. And they've done quite a few other Impulse titles in Classics (Attica Blues, Journeys in Satchidanada, Percussion Bitter Sweet, Serve Me Right to Suffer, Sun Ship, et al.), so there are only so many to pick from.
 
Yeah I'm not complaining about the titles in those boxes, the only gripe I have with the Impulse box really is that it's not all AAA and there are other non-AAA reissues of some of those albums on the market right now. I think it would've been disappointing to put ALS and BS&SL in those boxes, just an interesting observation how the other anthologies go for big main titles, plus some in-need-of-reissue titles while the BN and Impulse catalogs (which are already being pretty heavily reissues by the labels themselves AAA currently) really reach for some deeper cut albums that need reissued (or needed them at the time of curation). Stark difference in curation between those 2 boxsets and every other one
 
yukbon said:
Yes. Except sun ra, which is approachable... for sun ra.
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Lol. For sure, but if you’re looking for accessible Sun Ra, there’s a delayed reissue of Jazz in Silhouette coming out soon, and I have high hopes for it. Gorgeous album.

Speaking of Sun Ra, I’m very, very far from a Sun Ra expert, but there is one in Portland with a killer stash of archival Sun Ra films, and one of our local art houses showed them last week. (it’s a killer, non-profit theater, and I’m very lucky to be on its board of directors).

Lasted two hours starting from thel late 60s into the late 80s. Really great stuff.
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MikeH said:
That Michael White album is really awesome. The Pharoah is also fairly accessible as far as Pharoah goes.
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I second the Pharoah as being an accessible example of his music. Its been a while since I listened to it (going to rectify that soon) but from what I remember it focuses more on percussion and call-and-response over heavier free-jazz. The ensemble is insane too!
 
Just a thought about the Impulse! titles, I wonder if they are going to get a later release they usually do?

The reason I say this is that the wording of the VMP text (which I appreciate should be taken with a grain of salt) suggests that they were options for the Anthology that they rejected in favour of others.
 
Selaws said:
Just a thought about the Impulse! titles, I wonder if they are going to get a later release they usually do?

The reason I say this is that the wording of the VMP text (which I appreciate should be taken with a grain of salt) suggests that they were options for the Anthology that they rejected in favour of others.
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I don't know if you're on the discord -- I thought I saw your usename there at some point? -- but it's been mentioned sort of in passing:

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yukbon said:
I don't know if you're on the discord -- I thought I saw your usename there at some point? -- but it's been mentioned sort of in passing:

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Ah thanks for this, would be great for the series to keep going, the first 4 seem to have gone down well judging by the reactions here.

I did make an account but I havent been on since. Maybe I should.
 
Selaws said:
Just a thought about the Impulse! titles, I wonder if they are going to get a later release they usually do?

The reason I say this is that the wording of the VMP text (which I appreciate should be taken with a grain of salt) suggests that they were options for the Anthology that they rejected in favour of others.
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Do you mean later as in get repressed by someone else? I don’t think these will do as they are black vinyl and not really a partnership with another reissue label
 
Selaws said:
Exactly that! The more im thinking about it the more im glad I pulled the trigger on them.
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Yea I think these are more like Ask The Ages than the JD series if that makes sense. I hope they continue the series too and they probably will if these sell well!

Edit: my rule of thumb is if VMP releases something on black vinyl that’s a limited store exclusive, it’s not gonna be reissued elsewhere with the same plates. If it’s a color vinyl release in collaboration with another reissue label, it’s fair game to get another pressing elsewhere
 
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