Definitive Audiophile pressings

So, Up here in Canada. Ordered the UHQR of Rastman Vibration a while back and only regretted the cost. Love the product and will never sell it.
But my UHQR Exodus was defective with lots of noise on side A.

Acoustic Sounds is telling me they can only send me a replacement if I make another order from them, which would be minimum 60$ Canadian.
They haven't responded to me in a couple days, but I don't really know what to do. Am I only left with the option of selling my Exodus UHQR as a defective record for the same price I paid for it? LOL

Asking this thread because I know this was an issue with the Original Kind Of Blue UHQR.
Can I send it back to AS and they'll refund me the cost and Fedex Import cost which was like 50$

Feel like FOMO got me good on this one. And Exodus is a great record, But If I seriously have to pay more for this thing there's just no way.

(Sorry if this isn't the most fitting thread for this)
WTF? They’re responsible for a defective product and are extorting you to fulfill their responsibility. Have you tried calling? Maybe you’ll have a better shot speaking to someone. Otherwise, I’d tell them you’re going to dispute the charge with the credit card company. They’re implicitly acknowledging the issue and their responsibility but forcing you to pay them to be accountable.
 
WTF? They’re responsible for a defective product and are extorting you to fulfill their responsibility. Have you tried calling? Maybe you’ll have a better shot speaking to someone. Otherwise, I’d tell them you’re going to dispute the charge with the credit card company. They’re implicitly acknowledging the issue and their responsibility but forcing you to pay them to be accountable.
Yeah it's crazy but this has been their company "policy" regarding international orders for years. They've done this to me too, the only other time I ordered from their store, and the main reason I will never order from them again. Pretty sure it's illegal. I agree, dispute the charge with your credit card company.
 
WTF? They’re responsible for a defective product and are extorting you to fulfill their responsibility. Have you tried calling? Maybe you’ll have a better shot speaking to someone. Otherwise, I’d tell them you’re going to dispute the charge with the credit card company. They’re implicitly acknowledging the issue and their responsibility but forcing you to pay them to be accountable.

This is the kind of response I was needing and appreciate, definitely how i'm feeling and i'm going to call if they don't get back by end of the day tomorrow. They're also pressing more because they oversold which is kind of funny, So wouldn't even be able to receive a new disc for another month..
 
Guaranteed your credit card company will side with you if you explain they are requiring a 2nd purchase in order to "right" the first defective one.
Not so fast. Chad is devious.

Their policy is quite clear on international returns, and they are not forcing a second purchase to 'right' the defect. They will simply refund in full upon receipt of the defective record. Of course, the buyer pays return shipping, but that's the way it is - if I buy domestically from Amazon, I get free return shipping. If I buy from Amazon U.S, I pay for return shipping.

Otherwise, Acoustic Sounds would end up paying significant return shipping costs for many records which are hardly defective al all - we know collectors. They want to discourage trivial returns.

So, essentially, the buyer can simply send it back, get a refund, and then purchase it anew. Of course, then the buyer is back to that minimum order.

Some credit cards have variants of purchase protection insurance, but I doubt this would be a successful chargeback straight up.
 
Not so fast. Chad is devious.

Their policy is quite clear on international returns, and they are not forcing a second purchase to 'right' the defect. They will simply refund in full upon receipt of the defective record. Of course, the buyer pays return shipping, but that's the way it is - if I buy domestically from Amazon, I get free return shipping. If I buy from Amazon U.S, I pay for return shipping.

Otherwise, Acoustic Sounds would end up paying significant return shipping costs for many records which are hardly defective al all - we know collectors. They want to discourage trivial returns.

So, essentially, the buyer can simply send it back, get a refund, and then purchase it anew. Of course, then the buyer is back to that minimum order.

Some credit cards have variants of purchase protection insurance, but I doubt this would be a successful chargeback straight up.

Gotta love how just opening a record from AS put me in this situation. If I just left it sealed could have just sold it for double the price and moved on with my life. Because I'm a fan of the album and wanted this pressing i'm in this situation.

I'll always try to sort it with the company i'm buying from before my credit card company. Will literally cost me 300$ Canadian for the UHQR and the Replacement disc.
Also the jacket QC is very problematic and I didn't even get to comment on this yet, I was thinking of requesting a whole new box but just figured i'd start with the record.

Seems to me like I'll be paying out of my pocket 80$ (50$ import fee, and 30$ to send it back to Kansas) all of this just to say I will have now paid 300$ for Rastaman Vibration. (atleast that's my rational)

feeling the fuck chad on this one.. also not a big fan of the the whole destroy your record before we send you a new one, but we actually don't really care that there is defective copies floating out there.
 
So, Up here in Canada. Ordered the UHQR of Rastman Vibration a while back and only regretted the cost. Love the product and will never sell it.
But my UHQR Exodus was defective with lots of noise on side A.

Acoustic Sounds is telling me they can only send me a replacement if I make another order from them, which would be minimum 60$ Canadian.
They haven't responded to me in a couple days, but I don't really know what to do. Am I only left with the option of selling my Exodus UHQR as a defective record for the same price I paid for it? LOL

Asking this thread because I know this was an issue with the Original Kind Of Blue UHQR.
Can I send it back to AS and they'll refund me the cost and Fedex Import cost which was like 50$

Feel like FOMO got me good on this one. And Exodus is a great record, But If I seriously have to pay more for this thing there's just no way.

(Sorry if this isn't the most fitting thread for this)

Yeah it's crazy but this has been their company "policy" regarding international orders for years. They've done this to me too, the only other time I ordered from their store, and the main reason I will never order from them again. Pretty sure it's illegal. I agree, dispute the charge with your credit card company.
That’s what I had to do with Kind Of Blue when I got one of their early pressings that were noisy and crackling (and incredibly static). They told me to destroy the record, send visual proof and place an order they could send the replacement disc with. The order amount didn’t matter they said (could be $5) but it mattered to me when the minimum shipping cost started at $52. Ended up placing another order with a few records I wanted.
 
Gotta love how just opening a record from AS put me in this situation. If I just left it sealed could have just sold it for double the price and moved on with my life. Because I'm a fan of the album and wanted this pressing i'm in this situation.

I'll always try to sort it with the company i'm buying from before my credit card company. Will literally cost me 300$ Canadian for the UHQR and the Replacement disc.
Also the jacket QC is very problematic and I didn't even get to comment on this yet, I was thinking of requesting a whole new box but just figured i'd start with the record.

Seems to me like I'll be paying out of my pocket 80$ (50$ import fee, and 30$ to send it back to Kansas) all of this just to say I will have now paid 300$ for Rastaman Vibration. (atleast that's my rational)

feeling the fuck chad on this one.. also not a big fan of the the whole destroy your record before we send you a new one, but we actually don't really care that there is defective copies floating out there.
I don't know the type of issue you are having, but I do know that (absent physical signs such as scratches, severe warp, embedded foreign matter) most 'defects' are not really defects at all and can be remedied.

Vinyl manufacturing is imperfect. It isn't a CD. The equipment qualifies as antique or vintage at best, just like a 1950's car maintenance and parts replacement is very frequent, performance 60 years on isn't what it once was. And before someone shouts 'QC!!' the fact is, no one can check 100% of a production run. Maybe 1 in 100 or even 1 in 200 would be a reasonable norm, or the cost would be high and passed on.

When I hear of noise issues, static issues, supposed no-fill (which is often static), pops and clicks (absent a physical source), I simply fix it before considering a return.

Reasons? First, returned records end up being scrapped and end up in a landfill. Notice the issues with our environment? Climate change? Shit filling oceans getting into the food chain? Species becoming extinct? Extreme weather events?

PVC and polyvinyl chloride are toxic and can't be recycled. They end up in landfill and leeching toxic shit for a long, long time.

Second, returns bump up the cost of records for everyone. Notice how expensive reords have become? It's not the whole reason, but excessive returns, often unwarranted, contribute to that.

A RCM is usually not the first step in fixing these issues. Two of the best products for use on new records exhibiting these symptoms were Smart Potent Formula and Nitty Gritty FirstRV. Both are no longer made due to certain ingredients finding their way onto prohibited lists due to their environmental and health impacts. That's a proble as nothing around today is as good.

We do have one solution available - Chisto Spray & Wipe. A RCM won't do it, nor will a POS like a SpinClean. Spray & Wipe is a manual operation and gets deep. It has to be wiped off pretty fast. You might have to do it two or three times.

Another solution is also manual - the venerable Last Power Cleaner/All Purpose Cleaner combo.

I have a couple of Speakers Corner records that exhibited extreme noise which I thought as no-fill. RCM cleaning - even with the best fluid, Nitty Gritty Pure2, did not help. But today, those records play dead quiet. Manual use of Smart Potent did that. They were not at all defective. More recently I bougt the Craft Wattstax - a shit pressing for sure. Chisto Spray & Wipe did the miracle job on that one.

Also, many noise issues stem from a dirty needle. A dry brush won't clean a needle. Look at it with a jeweler's tool and very often you will see the diamond is dark - totally gunked up. Clean it. You wouldn't drive with a windshield covered in gunk, and you can't listen with a gooped up stylus.

Last things. If your home does not have an effective humidifier, you will have static at this time of year. Use a good destat brush before playing a side.

And your wet clean brush matters. Most do a rather poor job of distributing fluid evenly and deeply. The only one I use is the Clear Audio Pure Groove brush. I resolves the issues with other brushes, such as the common but not terribly effective MOFI brush.

Finally - IMO no new issue record is worth $300. :)
 
Yeah, @DeadwaxDude, didn't you know the reason species are going extinct and millions of people are going to die from rising ocean levels is because YOU wanted the premium product you paid for?

Jesus what a condescending post.

Jesus, your entitlement just reeks Karen.

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. If the shoe fits....
 
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Jesus, your entitlement just reeks Karen.

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. If the shoe fits....
What is it you think I feel I'm entitled to? What shoe is this?

The guy has been collecting for a long time and knows how to clean his records. He bought a pricey record marketed as a premium product and did not receive one. You said the record is probably fine. (???)
 
Vinyl manufacturing is imperfect. It isn't a CD. The equipment qualifies as antique or vintage at best, just like a 1950's car maintenance and parts replacement is very frequent, performance 60 years on isn't what it once was. And before someone shouts 'QC!!' the fact is, no one can check 100% of a production run. Maybe 1 in 100 or even 1 in 200 would be a reasonable norm, or the cost would be high and passed on.
Nobody’s expecting inspection of every record, perfection, or anything like that. The expectation is pretty basic and not much different than any other industry, particularly for premium products within an industry: if you hold yourself out has having exceptionally high production quality and standards that yield impeccable sound at the highest quality (expressly for vinyl — the CD reference is irrelevant), and you price it accordingly — all of which is the case for AS/UHQR, well more than almost any other vinyl product save for maybe ERC — then back the quality up with good customer service. Part of that service is an acknowledgement that the mfr cannot check every item, which, in turn yields an acknowledgement that a certain rate of returns is inevitable.

It’s not hard or overly demanding. Granted, there’s an implication that too many vinyl customers are overly aggressive on returns, and that may be the case, but nothing about the OP led me to think that was happening here.

Chad markets heavily to the most discerning vinyl consumer with the most disposable income among vinyl consumers and prices his products accordingly. It’s a two-way street.
 
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What is it you think I feel I'm entitled to? What shoe is this?

The guy has been collecting for a long time and knows how to clean his records. He bought a pricey record marketed as a premium product and did not receive one. You said the record is probably fine. (???)
Hey I mean if you guys aren't willing to use various banned cancer causing chemicals in order to make your brand new vinyl actually listenable then that's on you.
 
Nobody’s expecting inspection of every record, perfection, or anything like that. The expectation is pretty basic and not much different than any other industry, particularly for premium products within an industry: if you hold yourself out has having exceptionally high production quality and standards that yield impeccable sound at the highest quality (expressly for vinyl — the CD reference is irrelevant), and you price it accordingly — all of which is the case for AS/UHQR, well more than almost any other vinyl product save for maybe ERC — then back the quality up with good customer service. Part of that service is an acknowledgement that the mfr cannot check every item, which, in turn yields an acknowledgement that a certain rate of returns is inevitable.

It’s not hard or overly demanding. Granted, there’s an implication that too many vinyl customers are overly aggressive on returns, and that may be the case, but nothing about the OP led me to think that was happening here.

Chad markets heavily to the most discerning vinyl consumer with the most disposable income among vinyl consumers and prices his products accordingly. It’s a two-way street.
Lot of karens here (not you).

The number one issue is that supposedly premium products are being sold by manufacturers who know full well there is nothing premium about it at all, and that the product is subject to the same (rather high-ish) failure rate as the budget priced product.

They do so because there are plenty of fools eager to buy them. They may complain later, they may do a return, but they will buy the next one and the one after regardless. And the massive sales margin made on these supposed premium products makes the failure rate costs trivial.

So don't have the expectation. It's just going to cause frustration. This is a grift, if you buy in, expect to be shafted.

They can't up the quality. Not possible on the equipment available, and there are no viable replacements.

Second, it is my opinion that anyone buying such a product should be well able to afford some basics. As I mentioned, the right manual cleaner, the right brush, the clean stylus, and even consideration of humidity in the home.

I make no apology for stating that defects of the kind cited are all too often easily remedied, and in many cases are not at all the fault of the record. Ever notice that records get noiser when the stylus is past it's prime? Or when there is a layer of gunk on the stylus?

Chad does not market to discerning vinyl consumers. For the most part, he markets a false promise to those afflicted with FOMO, limited range of repertiore and the money to burn.

Look at how 'discerning vinyl expert' Mike 45 turned from gushing over MOFI vinyl to trashing them overnight, when a false promise collided with his fantasy.

And I don't know that OP knows how to clean a record. Most people don't. He has a very good turntable, but an entry level cart worth much less than the record in question, which can be an indicator.

My point still remains - please, consider whether the record can be easily cleaned up or if the environment/stylus is the contributing factor.

Some may laugh at the environmental point, but if every record buyer returned at the rate Mather does, the environmental impact would be notable. There is something about considering social responsibility and balancing that with the entitlement. It's a fucking record.

My final point in all this - Chad is crystal clear about his return policy for non-U.S. orders. Damn, he even makes buyers tick off a fucking box with bold lettering to state that the buyer has read and acknowledges the terms.

Basically that means - buyer beware, and the risk is on the buyer. If the FOMO is so bad, you accept the conditions and any risk it may entail.

You can't change the terms afterwards - and while it may be claimed to be a premium product, and priced as a premium product, it is far from it. We all know it. It's run on the same machines, by the same people, with the same QC as any other. The credit card company will ultimately decline the chargeback.
 
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Lot of karens here (not you).

The number one issue is that supposedly premium products are being sold by manufacturers who know full well there is nothing premium about it at all, and that the product is subject to the same (rather high-ish) failure rate as the budget priced product.

They do so because there are plenty of fools eager to buy them. They may complain later, they may do a return, but they will buy the next one and the one after regardless. And the massive sales margin made on these supposed premium products makes the failure rate costs trivial.

So don't have the expectation. It's just going to cause frustration. This is a grift, if you buy in, expect to be shafted.

They can't up the quality. Not possible on the equipment available, and there are no viable replacements.

Second, it is my opinion that anyone buying such a product should be well able to afford some basics. As I mentioned, the right manual cleaner, the right brush, the clean stylus, and even consideration of humidity in the home.

I make no apology for stating that defects of the kind cited are all too often easily remedied, and in many cases are not at all the fault of the record. Ever notice that records get noiser when the stylus is past it's prime? Or when there is a layer of gunk on the stylus?

Chad does not market to discerning vinyl consumers. For the most part, he markets a false promise to those afflicted with FOMO, limited range of repertiore and the money to burn.

Look at how 'discerning vinyl expert' Mike 45 turned from gushing over MOFI vinyl to trashing them overnight, when a false promise collided with his fantasy.

And I don't know that OP knows how to clean a record. Most people don't. He has a very good turntable, but an entry level cart worth much less than the record in question, which can be an indicator.

My point still remains - please, consider whether the record can be easily cleaned up or if the environment/stylus is the contributing factor.

Some may laugh at the environmental point, but if every record buyer returned at the rate Mather does, the environmental impact would be notable. There is something about considering social responsibility and balancing that with the entitlement. It's a fucking record.

My final point in all this - Chad is crystal clear about his return policy for non-U.S. orders. Damn, he even makes buyers tick off a fucking box with bold lettering to state that the buyer has read and acknowledges the terms.

Basically that means - buyer beware, and the risk is on the buyer. If the FOMO is so bad, you accept the conditions and any risk it may entail.

You can't change the terms afterwards - and while it may be claimed to be a premium product, and priced as a premium product, it is far from it. We all know it. It's run on the same machines, by the same people, with the same QC as any other. The credit card company will ultimately decline the chargeback.
Hahaha thanks for the attempted lecture on environmental impact bruh. I live in a vegan household and have never bought an ounce of gas in my life because I don't drive. So my net positive environmental impact fucking crushes you and most others, my impact on the earth from returning the occasional faulty vinyl is infinitesimally tiny compared to your daily life.
Get bent.
 
Hahaha thanks for the attempted lecture on environmental impact bruh. I live in a vegan household and have never bought an ounce of gas in my life because I don't drive. So my net positive environmental impact fucking crushes you and most others, my impact on the earth from returning the occasional faulty vinyl is infinitesimal compared to your daily life. Get bent.
A vegan is just a bad hunter.
 
My final point in all this - Chad is crystal clear about his return policy for non-U.S. order. Damn, he even makes buyers tick off a fucking box with bold lettering to state that the buyer has read and acknowledges the terms.

Basically that means - buyer beware, and the risk is on the buyer.
Yesterday, when I wrote my initial thoughts about this, I didn’t realize how clear AS’s policy was/is. What I characterized as extortion is actually just applying the terms of an agreement. Ignorance (mine) acknowledged and owned.

Coincidentally, also yesterday, I received a used NM item from a not-small retailer. Visually, it’s NM for sure. But I put it on, and it’s pretty off center with a mild warp that cause the stylus to bob like a boat. I don’t care about that (or visual issues) if the problem doesn’t affect play, but this has a corresponding noticeable swish/static sound with each undulation, and it’s throughout both sides.

I wrote the retailer and provided a video of the issue asking to return it. I also happened to say that I had no expectation they’d play every record to find this kind of problem but, regardless, this is not a NM record. I’m curious whether you’d return this kind of item (not bc your opinion would change how I handle these situations; I’d return this every time, but I am curious). It wasn’t crazy expensive but definitely not cheap, and I won’t play it in this condition, nor would I have bought it at any price had I known. Here’s the video. You’ll have to trust me on the constant swish/static sounds: iCloud
 
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