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Dead C said:
@dhodo I'll try to break this down, so you can see what I meant by that. Something is being lost here, but that actually emphasizes HOW things are interpreted differently. I'll just quote your comment in sections and that will probably max out the character count, so I'll split this in two posts.
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I'm sorry man, I can't. I don't have the emotional bandwidth today. I don't know why debating this with you is upsetting to me today other than the fact that this is a place that I want to come to give my brain a break from the overwhelming exhaustion I'm feeling, at least this week. I'm sorry that I brought it up. You can judge that as a cop out if you want, but I can't handle the scope right now.

I do think you are too tied up in your extreme black and white judgement of Noname to get my point and I do thing you are giving J Cole way too much credit by making a lot of assumptions that he didn't say himself beyond the simple words he used. My point still stands even it it wasn't about Noname.

If you have any interest in reconsidering your very strong opinion, I suggest you go read some of what other rappers and music journalists who don't agree with you have said today, as they have articulated it better and simpler than I could.

If not, or if that doesn't affect your opinion, that's cool, we can leave it at that.
 
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someone saying "not even willing to put a tweet up" does not mean they are saying tweeting is the productive path.

she called out capitalism, the state, and the celebrities that are complicit by default- Cole took that personally and responded with a song since that's what he considers his strength.

to me as a woman, it felt like a lot of patronizing and gaslighting that pops up again and again in aspects of the industry, but I also acknowledge that I'm white and the response is not to, from, or for me.

Cole said he stands by his song, but also followed with this:



and I hear him on that last tweet.
 
ITrustMyGuitar said:
I assume she means that Tweeting is the least that one can do. But I guess my issue with this is, what does she consider the productive path? By my deductive reasoning the only artist she can be referencing is Kendrick (perhaps J. Cole, but Kendrick makes a lot more sense to me).
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that's why I quoted the "not even" part, she wasn't emphasizing tweeting, she was emphasizing just doing something.

she wrote it on May 30th, so things may have changed with who she had in mind at the moment of tweeting.

she also deleted it shortly after people started theorizing on who she was calling out, possibly because individual call-out culture was not her intention, possibly because she realized it might muddy her intentions- I only read it as frustration and anger at general inaction from those she wanted to see leading.

I dunno, I can't speak for her. the general speculation on a tweet leading to a song from a peer that is now leading to more speculation... seems like we are all missing the mark.
 
bfly said:
that's why I quoted the "not even" part, she wasn't emphasizing tweeting, she was emphasizing just doing something.

she wrote it on May 30th, so things may have changed with who she had in mind at the moment of tweeting.

she also deleted it shortly after people started theorizing on who she was calling out, possibly because individual call-out culture was not her intention, possibly she because she realized it might muddy her intentions- I only read it as frustration and anger at general inaction from those she wanted to see leading.

I dunno, I can't speak for her. the general speculation on a tweet leading to a song from a peer that is now leading to more speculation... seems like we are all missing the mark.
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Didn't realize that she wrote it so long ago and that she deleted it. And I'm just thinking now that her "Black plight" comment could have been anybody considering some of the values intrinsic in some hip-hop music and that I might be missing the mark with her target (which is why I deleted my comment). I do think there has been a lot of miscommunication. But I definitely don't think Cole's response was necessary.
 
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