Hot Take/ Musical Confession Thread!

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Flattery will get you EVERYwhere @TenderLovingKiller® . My wife calls its snobbery - I like your description much better. But, as with most things, she is right.

Hatred is an understatement here.
I loathe them and I cant understand how anyone can tolerate them without some of your brains oozing out one ear.

Here's some lyrics from the release that, when my snobbery raises its head, people go... "Yeah but Blood Sugar Sex Magik" :

From Suck my Kiss:

"K-i-s-s-i-n-g / Chicka chicka dee / Do me like a banshee / Low brow is how / Swimming in the sound / Of bow wow wow / Aw, baby, do me now / Do me here I do allow."

Its such a shame that Anthony Kiedis contributions make me think he's suffering from at Traumatic Brain Injury or that his primary language is Susquehannock and he only learned to speak English in the minutes before recording any track. The musicianship in the band is amazing but the final product is a big peanut riddled turd on a shining silver platter and I just cannot swallow it.

Obviously it’s a preference thing but attacking RHCP lyrics is like attacking water for being wet. Lots of bands I am sure you have an affinity for likely have made some questionable lyrical choices. Like I said, I am not a huge fan but for me it’s not important what he is saying but how he’s saying it (in hip-hop parlance they’d call it flow) which seems to jive well with the their funk based rock style. I don’t think anyone was awarding Kedis the Nobel Prize for his lyrical contributions but I don’t hear a lot of people suggesting they should either.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

The musicianship in the band is amazing but the final product is a big peanut riddled turd on a shining silver platter and I just cannot swallow it

I will not plea, more turds for me (pretty sure this is also a RHCP lyric)

 

[Joe Mac]

Larry Mullen Jr Opens Up About 50 Years Of Having Bono’s Arse In His Face

U2 DRUMMER Larry Mullen broke down yesterday in an interview where he outlined just what it has been like to sit in the shadow of frontman Bono's arse since the band's inception in 1976. "The lads …

waterfordwhispersnews.com

 

[Viking Dan]

The Foo Fighters have been ripping themselves off for the past 20 years. Every song in recent memory has the same format of Dave Grohl sings quiet, DAVE GROHL SCREAMS LOUD, drum solo, SCREAMS LOUD AGAIN, final chord fades away.

Also why do they have one song that’s like that as the lead single that you listen to on the radio and think. “That’s ok in a generic it’s the Foo Fighters sort of way” and then the album is a steaming pile of shit. Generic shit, but in a pile and steaming none the less.

It all went down hill after "There is Nothing Left To Lose."
He just kept rehashing the same ole shit and grifiting the fans with gimmicks to sell songs he never really put 100% of his heart and soul into.

My bet is that Mr. Grohl doesn't have anyone in his orbit that tells him everything he's doing is just dogshit retreads of ideas that could be good if he'd just be more critical of himself.

"Its like he's got to eat, sleep and and breathe" his fucking songs. "Like fucking James put time into nothing."

 

[Dtknuckles]

This might be why Neil and others aren’t making the royalties as big of a deal. They paid their dues. Newer indie groups expecting to make a living might have unrealistic expectations.

The ultimate dad hot take!

 

[Diaper Baby Escape Plan]

Larry Mullen Jr Opens Up About 50 Years Of Having Bono’s Arse In His Face

U2 DRUMMER Larry Mullen broke down yesterday in an interview where he outlined just what it has been like to sit in the shadow of frontman Bono's arse since the band's inception in 1976. "The lads …

waterfordwhispersnews.com

“I’ve asked Bono many times to move just a little to the left, and he’s refused. So I said okay, and now I just picture myself drumming on his hole,” Mullen admitted.

“Just battering the shite out of that thing. That’s how I’ve maintained my trademark style, and for that I am thankful to Bono”.

 

[Dtknuckles]

I do not.

Even if it was Anthony Braxton playing it?

 

[Viking Dan]

Obviously it’s a preference thing but attacking RHCP lyrics is like attacking water for being wet. Lots of bands I am sure you have an affinity for likely have made some questionable lyrical choices. Like I said, I am not a huge fan but for me it’s not important what he is saying but how he’s saying it (in hip-hop parlance they’d call it flow) which seems to jive well with the their funk based rock style. I don’t think anyone was awarding Kedis the Nobel Prize for his lyrical contributions but I don’t hear a lot of people suggesting they should either.

Give me Parliament Funkadelic.
Give me Prince.
Give me Living Color.

But don't give me this Shite:

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

My hot take of the day is Animal Collective will never sound good to my ears.

 

[Diaper Baby Escape Plan]

Sometimes I like to challenge my biases and ask if I'm not just asking the wrong questions, to which any answer will be insufficient.

After listening to the song (and, admittedly, I'd never heard it before; nor did I realize that China is on on the dark side of the moon, so it's a day full of discovery), I have to challenge what would be the normal question I would ask and answer in the affirmative, which would be: Is Anthony Kiedis a shitty lyricist?

Now, I think I need to reexamine and perhaps the question I need to ask is "Is Anthony Kiedis the best Mad Libs player ever?"

I can't retcon the singing. Lyrics or Mad Libs, it's still bad.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

Sometimes I like to challenge my biases and ask if I'm not just asking the wrong questions, to which any answer will be insufficient.

After listening to the song (and, admittedly, I'd never heard it before; nor did I realize that China is on on the dark side of the moon, so it's a day full of discovery), I have to challenge what would be the normal question I would ask and answer in the affirmative, which would be: Is Anthony Kiedis a shitty lyricist?

Now, I think I need to reexamine and perhaps the question I need to ask is "Is Anthony Kiedis the best Mad Libs player ever?"

I can't retcon the singing. Lyrics or Mad Libs, it's still bad.

It's still weird that people are showing up here with an intent for discovery of lyrical depth. I listen to Sigur Ros and have not once looked up the translations to their lyrics. I'm sure they're good, but the music sounds good without me knowing whatever they're saying, so I'll leave it be. Maybe they're singing about how they love to stack several Big Macs on top of eachother to make a SUPER Big Mac then mail it to the Icelandic Prime Minister as a practical joke. Probably not, though, right? Because that's not esoteric enough.

I think the question that confounds most people is "wait, HOW are these guys so popular?" and the low hanging fruit to find this answer seems to be lyricism. But, that doesn't answer the question, rather it belittles those in an effort to take fans down a peg (and this can be applied to any big band that gets criticized). The question can really only begin to be answered by separating music into two categories: entertainment and art. Then Venn Diagram your favorite bands and figure out which goes where, followed by adding little attributes to make a case that NooOOoOooo The Weeknd is art that BECAME entertainment *dolphin voice* eeeee e eeee e ee e *swims off into the sunset*

 

[Diaper Baby Escape Plan]

It's still weird that people are showing up here with an intent for discovery of lyrical depth. I listen to Sigur Ros and have not once looked up the translations to their lyrics. I'm sure they're good, but the music sounds good without me knowing whatever their saying, so I'll leave it be. Maybe they're singing about how they love to stack several Big Macs on top of eachother to make a SUPER Big Mac then mail it to the Icelandic Prime Minister as a practical joke. Probably not, though, right? Because that's not esoteric enough.

I think the question that confounds most people is "wait, HOW are these guys so popular?" and the low hanging fruit to find this answer seems to be lyricism. But, that doesn't answer the question, rather it belittles those in an effort to take fans down a peg (and this can be applied to any big band that gets criticized). The question can really only begin to be answered by separating music into two categories: entertainment and art. Then Venn Diagram your favorite bands and figure out which goes where, followed by adding little attributes to make a case that NooOOoOooo The Weeknd is art that BECAME entertainment *dolphin voice* eeeee e eeee e ee e *swims off into the sunset*

I guess. I just take it as the Hot Takes Threads and fucking around in good fun.

I mean, I genuinely dislike the artists I say I dislike. But IRL disliking any music doesn't go any further for me than just not to listening to it.

If I met you and you told me that you like <insert artist I dislike here> I'd just nod my head in affirmation. At most, if the line of conversation continued I'd probably just say I don't listen to them and probably ask more about your interest in them.

Again, hot takes thread. Low or high hanging fruit, it's just apples and oranges.

It would, of course, be different if I or anyone else showed up in an RHCP thread (don't think there is one) and just started shitting on them. Doesn't mean there can't be constructive criticism, of course.

 

[Ericj32]

I feel like Foo Fighters and RHCP, for all of mediocrity, still sound less cheesy on an album than DMB. It’s a blend of emo and smooth jazz that just does not work for me.

That said, I feel like all three of these bands probably put on a much better live show than you’d expect based on how they sound in the studio. I haven’t seen DMB or RHCP live, but I caught Foo Fighters at a festival years ago and was blown away at how talented they were and how good even their worst songs sounded. There’s something to be said for the ability to perform with a high degree of technical skill while also entertaining an audience - most bands can only really pull off one or the other.

 

[Joe Mac]

I feel like Foo Fighters and RHCP, for all of mediocrity, still sound less cheesy on an album than DMB. It’s a blend of emo and smooth jazz that just does not work for me.

That said, I feel like all three of these bands probably put on a much better live show than you’d expect based on how they sound in the studio. I haven’t seen DMB or RHCP live, but I caught Foo Fighters at a festival years ago and was blown away at how talented they were and how good even their worst songs sounded. There’s something to be said for the ability to perform with a high degree of technical skill while also entertaining an audience - most bands can only really pull off one or the other.

Anthony Kedis can’t sing for shit. His voice is awful and so their live show really can go from enjoyably upbeat, if you like that kinda thing, on a night where he’s on form to genuinely unlistenable on a night where he isn’t!

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I feel like Foo Fighters and RHCP, for all of mediocrity, still sound less cheesy on an album than DMB. It’s a blend of emo and smooth jazz that just does not work for me.

I will take all the DMB off your hands for ya. I don’t necessarily disagree with you emo Jazz sentiment either. The difference, for me; is that description sounds like a compliment as opposed to a critique.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

It would, of course, be different if I or anyone else showed up in an RHCP thread (don't think there is one) and just started shitting on them. Doesn't mean there can't be constructive criticism, of course.

Agreed, and I think there's value in engaging these hot takes to a certain extent, especially if they would get to the point of piling on. But notice that there is an upper echelon of bands that tend to take the beating the most because folks don't understand their appeal so much that they feel they have to be vocal about it. RHCP, DMB, Foos are the three most recent to come up (also worth noting that none of what's been said about these bands is really considered a Hot Take). Maybe because some feel there is artistic merit there but can't allow themselves to promote them to a level of a Pearl Jam (now this is a band that should have floods of hot takes).

Then you have Imagine Dragons and Nickelback that have been the house door mat for a while mostly because no one thinks there is any artistic merit there. So a new album announcement by them would not have people booking it to the hot takes thread to share their opinions.

I'm coming from a place where I was a big DMB fan, then I let other people's ideas of DMB ruin my enjoyment of them, only to come back to them after a long period of time. I call this, "The Pitchfork Stage" of life.

 

[avecigrec]

That said, I feel like all three of these bands probably put on a much better live show than you’d expect based on how they sound in the studio. I haven’t seen DMB

...Never having absolutely loved DMB albums more than a few songs here and there, I did happen to see them live and it was fucking incredible. Absolutely would go see them again, despite a low likelihood of seeking out their albums - particularly anything post-90s.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

...Never having absolutely loved DMB albums more than a few songs here and there, I did happen to see them live and it was fucking incredible. Absolutely would go see them again, despite a low likelihood of seeking out their albums - particularly anything post-90s.

They were me and my friends main musical interest when I was in High School. Between 1997 and 2001 I saw them live close to 20 times.

 

[Viking Dan]

It's still weird that people are showing up here with an intent for discovery of lyrical depth. I listen to Sigur Ros and have not once looked up the translations to their lyrics. I'm sure they're good, but the music sounds good without me knowing whatever they're saying, so I'll leave it be. Maybe they're singing about how they love to stack several Big Macs on top of eachother to make a SUPER Big Mac then mail it to the Icelandic Prime Minister as a practical joke. Probably not, though, right? Because that's not esoteric enough.

I think the question that confounds most people is "wait, HOW are these guys so popular?" and the low hanging fruit to find this answer seems to be lyricism. But, that doesn't answer the question, rather it belittles those in an effort to take fans down a peg (and this can be applied to any big band that gets criticized). The question can really only begin to be answered by separating music into two categories: entertainment and art. Then Venn Diagram your favorite bands and figure out which goes where, followed by adding little attributes to make a case that NooOOoOooo The Weeknd is art that BECAME entertainment *dolphin voice* eeeee e eeee e ee e *swims off into the sunset*

I feel like Foo Fighters and RHCP, for all of mediocrity, still sound less cheesy on an album than DMB. It’s a blend of emo and smooth jazz that just does not work for me.

That said, I feel like all three of these bands probably put on a much better live show than you’d expect based on how they sound in the studio. I haven’t seen DMB or RHCP live, but I caught Foo Fighters at a festival years ago and was blown away at how talented they were and how good even their worst songs sounded. There’s something to be said for the ability to perform with a high degree of technical skill while also entertaining an audience - most bands can only really pull off one or the other.

I already admitted that [my wife was right (don't tell her I said that)] I'm on out here on RHCP-Loathe- Island because of my snobbery.

That snobbery is built on the presumption that if the lyrics aren't essential to your sound and final product - then you'd be an instrumental act. That snobbery is also built upon the premise that the lyrics should be value added to the sound and the final product

Lets consider They Might Be Giants, Particle Man. It was released about 1.5 years before still very close in time to BSSM. On paper, the Particle Man's lyrics (or any others on Flood) are arguably no less blithe than any RCHP lyric. However, they are surrounded by and packaged in a way that informs the listener - we know were being somewhat absurdist, that is kind of the point of not only the song but the artistic product we present to you. Given THAT presentation I can accept the construct of the lyrics'' intended face value and- I fucking love it. Particle Man and Flood both together, and independently, rule.

But that's not what is happening with the RCHP. The absurdity is not accepted or acknowledged, nor artfully presented by Mr. Kiedes. Its not what I'm being asked to consider as part of the RCHP or BSSM package. I'm being asked to accept the lyrics as an aggressively cool (or hip), and thoughtful (at times introspective, e.g. Under the Bridge) essence of the work essential to understand the RHCP art. And I just cant accpet the construct of what Kiedes writes as coherent, let alone, cool, thoughtful or conveying anything that actually adds merit to the RCHP artform. Why? b/c I'm a snob.

TL;DR: Flood fuels the intellect where listening to RCHP makes me feel dumber the way watching reality TV makes me feel like I'm taking my IQ and sticking it in a whirring garbage disposal.

But of course all of this is coming from the guy who has seen 311 maybe 7 times in the last ten years, because my buddy has an unholy and irrational love for that band. I will see ANY Live show at any time.

I'll even go with you to RCHP show if you have tickets and ask me to go. I do not like them, I loathe them, - b/c I'm a music snob- - but I'm not that much of a music snob that with 2-3 beers and 400,000 amps coming off a stage I cant have a good time.

TL; DR: No band (even RCHP, DMB or FF) are so bad that you I wont go and have fun at the show.

 

[avecigrec]

They were me and my friends main musical interest when I was in High School. Between 1997 and 2001 I saw them live close to 20 times.

My best friend in high school was very into them but it wasn't until 2004 that I saw them. The Golden Gate Park fan appreciation show. I was on the road with a couple of friends who really wanted to check it out and we got the three of us in for $20. I'd basically talked them into coming with me for Michael Franti & Spearhead's Power to the Peaceful festival the day before, so it was a pretty friggin' great weekend of music in the park. The DMB crew actually saved the Power to the Peaceful show too - they blew up a generator and the DMB crew hooked them up so the show could finish. All in all, a pretty magical "San Francisco Experience" in the peak-hippie days of my early 20s!