Jazz

Another thing that has lead to my Jazz kick currently, when I started taking my daily walks last month, I decided that I would work through the Coltrane catalog on Spotify. The little one and I listened to Ole during our walk today. My wife is lucky that I have had a lot of records coming recently (she would argue that is not the case) as it has prevented me from just listening to Jazz 24/7. She's cool with big band and vocal stuff, but she even thinks Kamasi is "crazy, screechy jazz." God forbid if I play Coleman or later Coltrane... I think I should throw Art Ensemble on and be like "don't complain about the rest of it!"
 
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Lee Newman said:
Another thing that has lead to my Jazz kick currently, when I started taking my daily walks last month, I decided that I would work through the Coltrane catalog on Spotify. The little one and I listened to Ole during our walk today. My wife is lucky that I have had a lot of records coming recently (she would argue that is not the case) as it has prevented me from just listening to Jazz 24/7. She's cool with big band and vocal stuff, but she even thinks Kamasi is "crazy, screechy jazz." God forbid if I play Coleman or later Coltrane... I think I should throw Art Ensemble on and be like "don't complain about the rest of it!"
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MikeH said:
@avecigrec not sure if you follow cosmos records on IG but seems they found a haul and saw some Sun Ra in the flip through….

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Some serious heat there. I have never flipped through a box (apart from in a physical shop) where every album is followed by another big one! Usually its dozens of classical with the odd interesting record thrown in.
Lee Newman said:
I was well aware of Evans before I started hanging out with the gang around here, but I did not know he was a big deal. I mean outside of Jazz heads, he ain't a Miles or Coltrane level figure that is a household name
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The thing with Evans is that he goes against the traditional idea of jazz. Hes INCREDIBLY technical due to his classical training. There is a fantastic video (most of which goes over my head an a non-musician) which I will try and dig out of Evans explaining some 'basic' principals and its far from basic. When thinking of jazz I think most people consider them to be a lot more free and unconfined, whereas Evans relishes it. Put him alongside the likes of Monk and its chalk and cheese, despite them playing the same music and standards.

The other thing is that he has some really die-hard fans that will buy every release of his. Just look at Resonance, the majority of their releases (which are not cheap) seem to be Evans' music and they always sell out. I completely agree though, he is certainly not known at the same level as Davis or Coltrane, which is ironic as I think a non jazz listener might find his music more accessible to begin with.
Lee Newman said:
Another thing that has lead to my Jazz kick currently, when I started taking my daily walks last month, I decided that I would work through the Coltrane catalog on Spotify. The little one and I listened to Ole during our walk today. My wife is lucky that I have had a lot of records coming recently (she would argue that is not the case) as it has prevented me from just listening to Jazz 24/7. She's cool with big band and vocal stuff, but she even thinks Kamasi is "crazy, screechy jazz." God forbid if I play Coleman or later Coltrane... I think I should throw Art Ensemble on and be like "don't complain about the rest of it!"
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Great idea! A couple of years ago I started Coltrane's music from the beginning and listened to every album, single, and compilation that was on Spotify at the time. It was 82 albums and 32 compilations. It obviously took a long time but I really enjoyed hearing the musical development and by the time I got to the comps I then heard them in a different way, being clumped together based on era, moods, etc.
 
Selaws said:
Some serious heat there. I have never flipped through a box (apart from in a physical shop) where every album is followed by another big one! Usually its dozens of classical with the odd interesting record thrown in.

The thing with Evans is that he goes against the traditional idea of jazz. Hes INCREDIBLY technical due to his classical training. There is a fantastic video (most of which goes over my head an a non-musician) which I will try and dig out of Evans explaining some 'basic' principals and its far from basic. When thinking of jazz I think most people consider them to be a lot more free and unconfined, whereas Evans relishes it. Put him alongside the likes of Monk and its chalk and cheese, despite them playing the same music and standards.

The other thing is that he has some really die-hard fans that will buy every release of his. Just look at Resonance, the majority of their releases (which are not cheap) seem to be Evans' music and they always sell out. I completely agree though, he is certainly not known at the same level as Davis or Coltrane, which is ironic as I think a non jazz listener might find his music more accessible to begin with.

Great idea! A couple of years ago I started Coltrane's music from the beginning and listened to every album, single, and compilation that was on Spotify at the time. It was 82 albums and 32 compilations. It obviously took a long time but I really enjoyed hearing the musical development and by the time I got to the comps I then heard them in a different way, being clumped together based on era, moods, etc.
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Yeah, its astonishing. I might at some point try to figure out a chronology of the releases as (like Miles and Johnny Cash) this is a discography where things were recorded by different people and released at different times. I know, for example, the sessions for Sun Ship were much earlier than its release and when you place them closer to the other work being done at that time, it's a monumental leap where in the midst of the things that it was released after it almost sounds like a step back.
 
I'll probably do Miles after I finish Coltrane. Then I'll dig a little deeper. I don't worry about it too much though... they were my gateways so I have a special esteem for them even if I would point to different musicians as my favorite on their instruments these days (Henderson is my go to Sax dude and Morgan is my trumpet dude.)
 
Lee Newman said:
Yeah, its astonishing. I might at some point try to figure out a chronology of the releases as (like Miles and Johnny Cash) this is a discography where things were recorded by different people and released at different times. I know, for example, the sessions for Sun Ship were much earlier than its release and when you place them closer to the other work being done at that time, it's a monumental leap where in the midst of the things that it was released after it almost sounds like a step back.
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Yeah so true and this actually links to something else I have been doing. Each week on my instagram account I have been running through the chronological discography of a British jazz musician. I started with Tubby Hayes and im now going through Ian Carr's music. There's actually a lot of historical releases that have been released in recent years and rather than use their release date (so at the end of the discography) I have been using their recorded date. Gives a much more cohesive experience imo.

Back 'in the day' there were many examples of critic's hearing an album that they assumed was recorded recent to its release and then commenting on how dated it sounds. I believe it was Lee Morgan's 'Take Twelve' where the critic had seen Morgan live shortly before the album was released. The critic stated that the album was good but would have benefitted from the more subtle approach that he took during his live gig. In reality, the Take Twelve session was recorded almost a year before so what he was actually reviewing was an earlier iteration of Morgan's musical progression.
Lee Newman said:
I'll probably do Miles after I finish Coltrane. Then I'll dig a little deeper. I don't worry about it too much though... they were my gateways so I have a special esteem for them even if I would point to different musicians as my favorite on their instruments these days (Henderson is my go to Sax dude and Morgan is my trumpet dude.)
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Thats what I did too! I followed John with Alice Coltrane, then Miles Davis (112 albums, 32 compilations), then Lee Morgan.
 
Selaws said:
Yeah so true and this actually links to something else I have been doing. Each week on my instagram account I have been running through the chronological discography of a British jazz musician. I started with Tubby Hayes and im now going through Ian Carr's music. There's actually a lot of historical releases that have been released in recent years and rather than use their release date (so at the end of the discography) I have been using their recorded date. Gives a much more cohesive experience imo.

Back 'in the day' there were many examples of critic's hearing an album that they assumed was recorded recent to its release and then commenting on how dated it sounds. I believe it was Lee Morgan's 'Take Twelve' where the critic had seen Morgan live shortly before the album was released. The critic stated that the album was good but would have benefitted from the more subtle approach that he took during his live gig. In reality, the Take Twelve session was recorded almost a year before so what he was actually reviewing was an earlier iteration of Morgan's musical progression.

Thats what I did too! I followed John with Alice Coltrane, then Miles Davis (112 albums, 32 compilations), then Lee Morgan.
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Ooh... Alice and then Sanders would actually be a more interesting follow up to Coltrane....
 
That would be great, Sanders sort of goes in the opposite direction from Free and Sceaming with JC to quite mellow with a lot of his later stuff, and those Impulse albums sometimes have a crazy Free track or 2 and some more accessible stuff as well, all great though, what a beautiful guy.
 
MikeH said:
thought that too. i'm pretty sure Africa/Brass has already been confirmed as the first album in the anthology which would mean the box would be from 1961-1970 then and end with Ptah potentially?
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Would certainly meet all criteria here:

MikeH said:
*Storf thinks it’s the perfect mix of stuff people want that hasn’t been reissued and deep cuts that “I don’t think any other company on earth would put in the middle of an impulse box set” lol

*one of the first LPs from the label to the early 70s

*john Coltrane record in it and Alice Coltrane record in it. The set is book-ended by the two (John Coltrane first, Alice last)
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Honestly, I've kinda been expecting Ptah in this set all long, even if they can't go AAA
 
MikeH said:
I’ll move it over to the Anthology thread but he did just actually confirm it. And Brooks &Dunn for country
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Between Ptah and Africa/Brass, they're gonna have to try really hard to fuck up the other six with all the options they have. I'm not looking forward to the price point, but I'm looking forward to the set - nearly certain it'll be my first, and likely only, VMP Anthology
 
avecigrec said:
Between Ptah and Africa/Brass, they're gonna have to try really hard to fuck up the other six with all the options they have. I'm not looking forward to the price point, but I'm looking forward to the set - nearly certain it'll be my first, and likely only, VMP Anthology
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same on all counts.

If someone's got a code to take the sting off the pricepoint, I wouldn't say no
 
MikeH said:
I’ll move it over to the Anthology thread but he did just actually confirm it. And Brooks &Dunn for country
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Did Storf confirm Ptah or that there is an Alice title?

It's mandatory that there be John, Alice, Pharoah and Archie in any Impulse story, they were all the biggest.

There's a bit more mainstream stuff, like a Johnny Hodges and a Milt Jackson, both might be worthy just for variety. So would Chico Hamilton.

But then there is Yusef, whose finest was on Impulse and though he is largely overlooked today, back then he sold right up with Shepp, Pharoah and most others. And Ayler.

The 70's is actually a fantastic era for Impulse. You get Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer, Dewey Redman, Sam Rivers, Michael White and Marion Brown all did their finest work for Impulse during that period. There has to be good representation from that period, arguably, Impulse under Ed Michel was more vital and diverse than under Bob Thiele.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Did Storf confirm Ptah or that there is an Alice title?

It's mandatory that there be John, Alice, Pharoah and Archie in any Impulse story, they were all the biggest.

There's a bit more mainstream stuff, like a Johnny Hodges and a Milt Jackson, both might be worthy just for variety. So would Chico Hamilton.

But then there is Yusef, whose finest was on Impulse and though he is largely overlooked today, back then he sold right up with Shepp, Pharoah and most others. And Ayler.

The 70's is actually a fantastic era for Impulse. You get Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer, Dewey Redman, Sam Rivers, Michael White and Marion Brown all did their finest work for Impulse during that period. There has to be good representation from that period, arguably, Impulse under Ed Michel was more vital and diverse than under Bob Thiele.
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Someone posted the upcoming Verve reissue of Ptah on a “wish me please” discord thread and he promptly responded with a wink gif. Then confirmed later that they are doing it.

Already been confirmed that it will start with John Coltrane and end with Alice Coltrane and I believe he meant that chronologically. And I believe Storf said Africa Brass is in the anthology. So that means the impulse anthology would be titles from 1961 through 1970.

I am making some assumptions about the chronological order but it sure did seem like by saying it starts and ends with Coltranes that’s what he meant. There’s nothing from present day/recent Impulse.
 
MikeH said:
Someone posted the upcoming Verve reissue of Ptah on a “wish me please” discord thread and he promptly responded with a wink gif. Then confirmed later that they are doing it.

Already been confirmed that it will start with John Coltrane and end with Alice Coltrane and I believe he meant that chronologically. And I believe Storf said Africa Brass is in the anthology. So that means the impulse anthology would be titles from 1961 through 1970.

I am making some assumptions about the chronological order but it sure did seem like by saying it starts and ends with Coltranes that’s what he meant. There’s nothing from present day/recent Impulse.
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I'm thinking that VMP will do a colored variant of the upcoming Third Man Ptah press. If there is a tape out for cutting, it would make sense for VMP to piggy back on that.

If the anthology starts with John I guess Africa/Brass, but Alice did her last for Impulse in 1972, so I guess it could go that far. But even if it does, it really means the box must have representation from Sanders, Shepp, Brown etc.

World Galaxy would be a good place to end. Some of the Alice Impulse titles were done a few years ago, from hires digital, so the only reason to have another go would be if tape was out there.
 
MikeH said:
Someone posted the upcoming Verve reissue of Ptah on a “wish me please” discord thread and he promptly responded with a wink gif. Then confirmed later that they are doing it.

Already been confirmed that it will start with John Coltrane and end with Alice Coltrane and I believe he meant that chronologically. And I believe Storf said Africa Brass is in the anthology. So that means the impulse anthology would be titles from 1961 through 1970.

I am making some assumptions about the chronological order but it sure did seem like by saying it starts and ends with Coltranes that’s what he meant. There’s nothing from present day/recent Impulse.
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I am looking forward to this box but it's so hard to pick just a small handful of Impulse releases. There is so much great material there and what you'd select as an intro to Impulse vs. A set that would appeal to deep collectors (I want a nice press of Shepp's "Magic of JuJu" and Pharoah's "Elevation") will probably result on equal parts pleasure and pain.
 
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