Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

Indymisanthrope said:
Stories like this are really compelling, but if that's true, then why didn't we see the outbreaks and patients on ventilators earlier, and why aren't the few serology studies that have been done detecting antibodies in more of the population? Did it just so happen that in all of these instances, the cases all ended up being mild or asymptomatic? For a virus with an attack rate as high as what has been documented so far, it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. If it was spreading unchecked like that for that long, wouldn't we have stronger evidence of that by now?
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I'm not sure I can answer that question. But there was no mass scale testing in the states until early March at best so nobody knows who had and didn't have it. I mean people could have been developing pneumonia and being put on ventilators before deaths could have even been attributed to Covid. I can't explain the antibodies test other than maybe this disease does more weird things than any disease we have seen in a long time. I totally agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but nothing make sense anymore.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Stories like this are really compelling, but if that's true, then why didn't we see the outbreaks and patients on ventilators earlier, and why aren't the few serology studies that have been done detecting antibodies in more of the population? Did it just so happen that in all of these instances, the cases all ended up being mild or asymptomatic? For a virus with an attack rate as high as what has been documented so far, it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. If it was spreading unchecked like that for that long, wouldn't we have stronger evidence of that by now?
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I think it was two fold, first being a that it was a novel virus the second being it was flu season my guess is the bad cases were likely misdiagnosed as the flu or some other malady, I hope the Flu study that the University of Washington was doing is prior to the run up of the outbreak has been/will be fully re-examined to see how far back covid 19 was present now that they know what they are looking for.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Agreed. I'm with you that it just doesn't seem possible that there weren't more cases in more places than we originally thought, and yet...and yet...
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I'm speculating, but based on other viruses, it's not spread equally by everyone. Most of the time, the infectiousness is both a factor of the severity of the symptoms (or at least the severity of the symptoms you will have - since this like the flu seems to spread a lot in pre-symptomatics) and of the dose that comes at you (which may be why health care workers are often not just infected but severely so). We also seem to be learning that kids don't appear to be an important vector for SARS-CoV-2 spread and they get mild symptoms if any (unlike the flu where they are major vectors and are hit harder).

What I'm saying is that there may have been a lot of minor infection chains that didn't lead to much until it got the wrong person at the wrong place or a certain critical mass of cases occurred.
 
It is very interesting to think about - whether it was here before or not.

In February - 5 co-workers (out of an office of 50) were in the hospital with what they were told was penumonia. The shortest hospital visit was 2 nights. The longest was 5 nights. My boss was so sick, she stayed home from work for 2 weeks. I shared an office with 2 of the 5 of them. Somehow, I didn't get sick.

I spoke to each of them. And the thing they all said was, "I've never felt so sick in my life". They also all mentioned how badly their chest hurt.

In December, my niece was so sick on Christmas day, she didn't want to open gifts. She is 3. 3 year olds want to open gifts on Christmas. And she had a horrible cough. About a week later, my mom got sick. And said she has never felt so sick in her life. My sister was with her for some of it and thought she might have to take mom to the hospital.

Did they have the virus? Who knows. This is all anecdotal. And we'll probably never know. It just seems to walk like a duck and talk like a duck. And honestly, I would be ok if they all had had it. It means they all survived it, perhaps now have the anti-bodies. And selfishly, it means I was exposed to it A LOT.

But what doesn't make sense, Indy is right, is if it was here in Dec/Jan/Feb, why weren't the hospitals overrun like they soon were in March til now?
 
In reference to Katie Miller, the second person at the WH to now test positive.

Trump: Katie, she tested very good for a long period of time and then all of the sudden today she tested positive... This is why the whole concept of tests aren’t necessarily great

ffs.

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Indymisanthrope said:
Jesus, can you imagine the headlines if he was still president and was caught sneaking one of his occasional cigarettes in the middle of this?
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...Or wearing a light tan suit. My god, the hysterics! Seriously though, the Open [enter State Name Here] Protestors Under Obama would have started a month earlier and been at twice as large. Remember the Tea Party was not a reaction to Obama, the first African American President, it was the runaway government spending...hows that working out? where is the Tea Party now?
 
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Teeeee said:
It is very interesting to think about - whether it was here before or not.

In February - 5 co-workers (out of an office of 50) were in the hospital with what they were told was penumonia. The shortest hospital visit was 2 nights. The longest was 5 nights. My boss was so sick, she stayed home from work for 2 weeks. I shared an office with 2 of the 5 of them. Somehow, I didn't get sick.

I spoke to each of them. And the thing they all said was, "I've never felt so sick in my life". They also all mentioned how badly their chest hurt.

In December, my niece was so sick on Christmas day, she didn't want to open gifts. She is 3. 3 year olds want to open gifts on Christmas. And she had a horrible cough. About a week later, my mom got sick. And said she has never felt so sick in her life. My sister was with her for some of it and thought she might have to take mom to the hospital.
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I am now referring to it as the DMV Virus.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
LOL, you are too much sometimes. The term is not used to mock or demean anyone directly it is shorthand for Baby Boomer which is used to describe a generation of people. Similar to millennials or generation x, I get that you may not feel the generalizations are fair (they often aren’t) but the term itself is hardly derogatory.
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I will have to disagree. I’m not a baby boomer. However, the term “boomer” is definitely tied to those generalizations and is used in a derogatory manner. Thus the word itself is derogatory. The word “colored” isn’t in itself derogatory, but if I used it to describe someone of other than a white ethnicity, you would all (and rightfully) lambast me for the racial epithet.

I personally hate the evolution of the term and it’s use because it is another tool society has used to create divisions among us.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
news.yahoo.com

New Yahoo News/YouGov coronavirus poll: Almost 1 in 5 say they won't get vaccinated

Asked whether they plan to get vaccinated against COVID-19 if and when a vaccine arrives, a majority of Americans say yes. But a significant minority say they won’t get vaccinated or they’re not sure. And that, more than anything else, is what the Yahoo News/YouGov poll found — that Americans...
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In the US less than 40% of people get the normal flu shot every year, so this is really not surprising in the slightest.

EDIT: According to CDC estimates from 2017 - Estimates of Influenza Vaccination Coverage among Adults—United States, 2017–18 Flu Season | FluVaxView | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
 
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