Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus
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debianlinux
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This is a point I have been predicting. Not the specifics just a well defined point where it's clear that all rationale and prudence will be abandoned in favor of any capitulation. For the past few years I've been seeing a general trend of bad logic that requires bad faith to generate and then willful ignorance to perpetuate. It's the most outstandingly Darwinian thing we will witness in our lifetimes.
debianlinux
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Also, one of things that pisses me off most is the cognitive dissonance of saying the government or any institution can mandate vaccines because my body my choice but fervently pursue eliminating women's rights to their bodies. Like, if we're gonna review these vaccine mandates let's review this sue an abortion accomplice thing under the same auspices.
yukbon
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Not to get too far into devil's advocate territory here, because I'm firmly pro-choice, but the counter argument here is "but what about the baby's body and choice", so this line of reasoning is going to fall on deaf ears.
Joe Mac
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I’d hope to god that you don’t formally go down that road jurisprudentially. We had a constitutional provision for over 30 years that gave the unborn the equal right to life as the mother and it was an absolute nightmare to work around. Thank God we had a referendum to overturn it a few years back.
yukbon
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I doubt that that particular argument would hold water in court; scientific consensus and medical jurisprudence is that the mother's life takes precedence and (at least in the judeo- part of) the judeo-christian tradition is that it's not a baby unless/until it can survive outside the mother. Legally (and I'm not a lawyer so I have, at best, a layman's understanding here) is that religious arguments won't float in a court, given the first amendment's religious proscription. Viz: "my god says you can't kill that baby" is nullified by "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" etc.
Joe Mac
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It was depressingly a constitutional amendment here so the court was bound by it. It was a jurisprudencial nightmare, which created some weird laws and some hard situations where women’s lives were compromised. At least it’s now history.
Dtknuckles
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yukbon
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Today's argument with my mother: ivermectin and hydrochloroquin work, you guys, but The Government is hiding the research. In fact, and you'll be horrified to learn this, but an unspecified German report by scientists, that had a zoom or whatever, showed that up to 50 people who have taken the vaccine have died!
Apparently I was supposed be horrified more about 50 dead among literally millions that have been vaccinated vs again, millions dead that have not been vaccinated. MRNA is bad, apparently, but the j+j dead-virus old school vaccine is also bad? because someone makes money off it? and also there are breakthrough cases, and vaccines are supposed to last forever, so this isn't a "real" vaccine? it's honestly just such a miasma of knee-jerk responses and all of them are emotional beliefs with no basis.
Apparently I was supposed be horrified more about 50 dead among literally millions that have been vaccinated vs again, millions dead that have not been vaccinated. MRNA is bad, apparently, but the j+j dead-virus old school vaccine is also bad? because someone makes money off it? and also there are breakthrough cases, and vaccines are supposed to last forever, so this isn't a "real" vaccine? it's honestly just such a miasma of knee-jerk responses and all of them are emotional beliefs with no basis.
Honestly, I am against wide spread boosters until we can get the rest of the globe vaccinated. I had already posted about how HIV populations in Africa are being seen as a problem, because covid likes to stay in these people and mutate. The WHO thinks this might be where some of our new variants will come from. Until we vaccinate poorer countries, we are not going to see the end of these mutations.
There is some issue with the vaccine and children. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and the scientists are asking themselves tough questions about whether the incidence of side effects is more or less prevalent than the risk of severe covid in kids--since they are the cohort that seems least affected. Here's an NPR article on the debate: COVID Vaccines In Teens And Myocarditis: What You Need To Know
There is some biological basis for ivermectin, but from what I understand, it gets negated in the body--it makes it harder for certain receptors to attract the virus, however, from what I have read, this only works in a petri dish out side of the body. However, ivermectin is still a drug they are regularly using in India, various South American countries and in Japan. This indicates to me that clinicians in those countries are seeing some benefit.
The vaccine isn't bad, however, legal immunity was waived--which means that if these vaccines end up really harming people, no one would be able sue these vaccine producers. And while this is generally okay with me for tried and true vaccines where companies are barely making a profit on them, we now have vaccine billionaires due to the patents on these medicines. There's nothing but up side because if this ends up to be like the opioid epidemic, they don't have to worry about being sued. I'm sorry, if there are is legal immunity for vaccines, there also needs to be no vaccine billionaires and no vaccine patents. The reason this thing is dragging like it is, is because of greed. If we opened up the patents and more of the world was able to produce the vaccine (which they are able to do despite some very ethnocentric articles that suggest that the West is only able to produce this), then we would seriously slow down the rate of mutation, and could get this thing under control.
I'm still reading about breakthrough cases, and I'm not really sure what to think. It seems that the vaccine is slowing hospitalizations which is really, really good, but it doesn't seem to stop the virus from spreading as much as we would like. I understand waning immunity, similar to the flu, but I'm more and more interested about the biology here.
I find that people that have been on the internet since they were younger are much more savvy than our parents. There are things my mom links to me that I just shake my head at. I think our parents have a real problem sorting out the BS versus what is real on the internet. I think that we have been on this thing long enough to have an internal ranking of plausibility, but we also know that we need to check a few sources because the internet is notoriously full of garbage. Our parents have a double issue of trying to figure out and implement their BS meter for the internet while also not being as savvy on using internet searches to validate information. What I'm saying is try not to get too frustrated with your mom. She's dealing with a lot of conflicting information and nothing is clear cut.
A pill to treat Covid-19: 'We're talking about a return to, maybe, normal life' | CNN
Antivirals are already essential treatments for other viral infections, including hepatitis C and HIV. One of the best known is Tamiflu, the widely prescribed pill that can shorten the duration of influenza and reduce the risk of hospitalization if given quickly.
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yukbon
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90% of Miami-Dade vaccinated? ‘It’s just not true,’ experts say
“The true percent vaccinated is nowhere near 90%” in Miami-Dade County, said Dr. Aileen Marty, infectious disease expert at Florida International University.
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Man punches nurse in the face multiple times after his wife is vaccinated for Covid | CNN
Police are looking for a man in Canada they say punched a nurse in the face multiple times, knocking her to the ground after she administered a Covid-19 vaccine to his wife without his permission.
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Max Sterling
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Florida gonna Florida90% of Miami-Dade vaccinated? ‘It’s just not true,’ experts say
“The true percent vaccinated is nowhere near 90%” in Miami-Dade County, said Dr. Aileen Marty, infectious disease expert at Florida International University.
This is obviously due to a duplication error. Whoever put this data together either didn't know what they were doing or didn't care--this is one of those Data Analysis 101 things that every data analyst has to learn the hard way, but it's something you learn very early in your career. Ouch.90% of Miami-Dade vaccinated? ‘It’s just not true,’ experts say
“The true percent vaccinated is nowhere near 90%” in Miami-Dade County, said Dr. Aileen Marty, infectious disease expert at Florida International University.
Joe Rogan Shares Video That Seems to Link Proof-of-Vaccine Requirements to Holocaust — Rolling Stone
Fan-made clip features audio from The Joe Rogan Experience in which the host rails against threats to freedom
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Joe Mac
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Thank you! I keep feeling like I’m going slightly crazy and am trying everyone’s patience going on about how booster jabs are essentially immoral and how those vaccines need to be got to the poorest parts of the world as quickly as possible! I’m glad I’m not the only one!