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Saw a new version of that political ad against medicare for all tonight while watching the news.

This one focused a lot more on "long waits".

It basically said the healthcare system in socialist countries does not work.

If we adapt a socialist healthcare system everyone would have the same plan waiting in the same line. Longer waits. No way to get faster service with a better plan or if your health requires urgent attention.


I can't even with their lives. And I bet the scare tactics will scare the uneducated away from wanting medicare for all.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Saw a new version of that political ad against medicare for all tonight while watching the news.

This one focused a lot more on "long waits".

It basically said the healthcare system in socialist countries does not work.

If we adapt a socialist healthcare system everyone would have the same plan waiting in the same line. Longer waits. No way to get faster service with a better plan or if your health requires urgent attention.


I can't even with their lives. And I bet the scare tactics will scare the uneducated away from wanting medicare for all.
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I saw one tonight too where they made it seem like losing your private insurance is a bad thing? So I don't have to keep the thing that I pay several hundred dollars a week to have and then several thousand dollars before I can actually use it? Sign me up?
 
I probably won't stick around this thread (I'm no fun in political discussions), but every day on my way to work I drive by the local Republican party office, and they have a big sign filling the windows promoting Trump's 2020 re-election bid, with make America great again and everything.

Here's the thing-

ALL THE TEXT IS IN COMIC SANS.
 
After watching the Democratic Debate last night I have to say I'm not to impressed with most of the candidates.

Not answering questions asked.

Only 2 or 3 candidates raised their hands saying they support Medicare for all. You could tell which ones have obviously have been paid off by lobbyist. Several of these candidates pushed the Medicare for all would result in the lose of 180 Million Americans Private Insurance. They also said Americans love their private insurance.

Also one candidate mentioned that when asked the question "If all patients were services were paid at the Medicare rates what would happen", all hospital administrators answered with "We could close". That candidate made a point of saying that Medicare doesn't pay nearly enough, and the medicare for all bill keeps medicare rates at their current rates which would result in putting hospitals and pharmaceutical companies out of business if everyone had it.

At least one candidate spoke up and said Private Insurance isn't working for most. It's expensive, has all kinds exclusions, deductibles, out of pocket fees before coverage even kicks in.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
After watching the Democratic Debate last night I have to say I'm not to impressed with most of the candidates.

Not answering questions asked.

Only 2 or 3 candidates raised their hands saying they support Medicare for all. You could tell which ones have obviously have been paid off by lobbyist. Several of these candidates pushed the Medicare for all would result in the lose of 180 Million Americans Private Insurance. They also said Americans love their private insurance.

Also one candidate mentioned that when asked the question "If all patients were services were paid at the Medicare rates what would happen", all hospital administrators answered with "We could close". That candidate made a point of saying that Medicare doesn't pay nearly enough, and the medicare for all bill keeps medicare rates at their current rates which would result in putting hospitals and pharmaceutical companies out of business if everyone had it.

At least one candidate spoke up and said Private Insurance isn't working for most. It's expensive, has all kinds exclusions, deductibles, out of pocket fees before coverage even kicks in.
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I love the idea of Medicare for All, but am genuinely concerned that hospitals would shut down.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
After watching the Democratic Debate last night I have to say I'm not to impressed with most of the candidates.

Not answering questions asked.

Only 2 or 3 candidates raised their hands saying they support Medicare for all. You could tell which ones have obviously have been paid off by lobbyist. Several of these candidates pushed the Medicare for all would result in the lose of 180 Million Americans Private Insurance. They also said Americans love their private insurance.

Also one candidate mentioned that when asked the question "If all patients were services were paid at the Medicare rates what would happen", all hospital administrators answered with "We could close". That candidate made a point of saying that Medicare doesn't pay nearly enough, and the medicare for all bill keeps medicare rates at their current rates which would result in putting hospitals and pharmaceutical companies out of business if everyone had it.

At least one candidate spoke up and said Private Insurance isn't working for most. It's expensive, has all kinds exclusions, deductibles, out of pocket fees before coverage even kicks in.
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sounds like I didn't miss much
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
I love the idea of Medicare for All, but am genuinely concerned that hospitals would shut down.
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This is why the healthcare system should not be privatized.

Also, if we went with medicare for all, wouldn't that also mean that all medical bills would be paid out? Also they can cut a lot of overhead with dealing with insurance and coding? Would it not balance out?
 
RenegadeMonster said:
This is why the healthcare system should not be privatized.

Also, if we went with medicare for all, wouldn't that also mean that all medical bills would be paid out? Also they can cut a lot of overhead with dealing with insurance and coding? Would it not balance out?
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I don’t know. What I do know is that I fucking hate insurance companies.
 
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of NC Partisan gerrymandering Maps and will not overturn them. The Supreme Court voted down party lines.

Their reason for not overturning it? The Chief justice said it should not be up to the courts to decide and doing so would be "an unprecedented expansion of judicial power." However, Justice Elena Kogan who said gerrymandering is "anti-democratic in the most profound sense" fully believes the believes the court absolutely has the power to weigh in on the issue and should. The courts abandonment to weigh in on the issue is clearly political.

What does the Supreme Court ruling mean?
It's a big deal.
The justices, in a 5-4 ruling, said essentially that when squabbles erupt over whether politicians have gone too far in drawing district lines for partisan gain, the federal courts must stay out of the dispute.
It essentially gives a green light to politicians of both parties to be as aggressive as they want to be in drawing up districts that benefit their side and hurt their political opponents -- and without fear of the federal courts getting involved. So it would be up to the states -- and the voters -- to rein in such behavior.
It's a sweeping ruling that could alter the balance of power in state legislatures and Congress for years to come.
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ayayrawn said:
Most everybody did, Biden sucked.

Harris showed tf up tho.
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Yeah. Harris and Warren had the best showings of the week.

Bernie was great too but could have been better in places. Even as a moderate on the issue, his response to the guns portion was frustrating. He got annoyed by a poorly worded gotcha question instead of quickly deflecting and then focusing on solutions (Harris answer was great there).

That said, he had an incredible answer when asked how, as a socialist, he could beat Trump, had the best answer on healthcare (while getting grilled) and then had a very, very powerful closing statement about money in politics that caused an audible gasp from someone on the stage (perhaps Harris).

Gillibrand also had a solid showing and appeared to be Bernie's attack dog. Others were more impressed than I by Pete (tons of platitudes and Think Tank talking points sprinkled into some nice moments) and Castro (He's polished and great at talking identity politics because he comes out of the Clinton machine. Problem is he deflected every economic related question into a conversation about identity politics because he comes out of the Clinton machine).

Tulsi also had a phenomenal moment in a back and forth over the Iraq war that might have ended Tim Ryan's campaign on the spot. I guess some people liked Booker's performance too. I didn't really notice him.

Biden (thankfully) had a terrible showing, and everyone else should just drop out (including Beto who was also awful).

My 2 cents anyways.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
I read lots of comments on Twitter that Biden is proving that age is just a number, etc., etc. But man, he has lost a good chunk of the vitality that I remember from the Obama years. And seeing him on a split screen with Harris, or Buttigieg, really just throws into contrast how much frailer he seems now. He's never been the most eloquent, but even his speech patterns seem exacerbated by age.

Bernie has gone from novelty to upstart to revolutionary to spoiler to intolerable.

Say what you will about everything else, but his response about the threats represented by China was really substantive and thoughtful.

Man, I don't know what to tell you, but anybody who inspires brigading in the polls of a site like The Drudge Report, and who gets praise from the likes of Coulter and Cernovich, ought to be ringing serious alarm bells. The sooner this race is rid of her, the better.
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Agree with pretty much everything here. No fucking clue how people are watching this pan out and still going for Biden. The man is 76, and if he won the presidency, would be 78 when he took office. Everything about him is old.

I admire Bernie for inspiring me to give a shit about politics several years, but I think his moment has also passed.

Tulsi shouldn't even have bothered, she needs to get TF gone.

Harris, Warren, and Castro are my only real considerations after these two nights.
 
I'm pretty much all in on Warren at this point. I like Petey Pie but some of his comments about prison reform / sentencing have turned me off.
I need to look harder at Castro. I would vote for Harris if it came down to it but her record as minister of cops makes her a no.
I would vote for Bernie if I had to but I wish he would just put his money and voice into Warren's camp.
I hope everybody else just goes away. Biden sucks.
 
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when can we expect some of the candidates to start dropping out?

I'm worried that we'll have too many come primary time and Biden will slouch into it by default just because of name recognition. It's the same thing that happened in 2016 when there were a ton of GOP candidates; no one else besides Trump stood out so he ran away with it before an alliance from everyone else could counter.

jaycee said:
I would vote for Bernie if I had to but I wish he would just put his money and voice into Warren's camp.
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yeah this. I love Bernie, but he's old and I know Warren isn't that much younger but Bernie unfortunately has some baggage and we need a woman president desperately.
 
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