Political Discussion

[TenderLovingKiller®]

And this hiding behind self employed is disgusting and disingenuous. If they were genuinely self employed they could pick and chose when and how they work with complete flexibility. That’s generally not the case. They’re tied to restrictive conditions that legally create the employer/employee relationship. When you take out costs of insurance/fuel/maintaining car/appearance standards which all fall on the drivers as they’re “self employed” there are reports from the U.K. market that they’re actually making less than £5 an hour (I’ve seen as low as £3). That’s a long long way below the minimum wage nevermind any concept living one. Cheap taxis/delivery for me aren’t worth that level of exploitation.

I think when the rideshare companies initially started out, the idea that this job would be a “side hustle” for people that were already gainfully employed, owned and insured their own car, made sense but capitalism got in the way. They could never justify their gigantic IPO’s with people doing it casually on the side. They had to become a “disrupter” and compete with Taxi Cab services, now the only difference between cab companies and rideshares are that one doesn’t need a cab medallion and regularly fucks over their drivers.

 

[Max Sterling]

I hear about all this terrible gerrymandering and voting suppression that's very obviously targeted at certain demographics and I wonder why no one on the other side is doing anything to combat this behaviour. Like pushing to making voting day a holiday or protected absence like Jury Duty, or putting together some secure online voting platform or a better method to vote. I mean, taxes are done online and that's secure enough for the government, what makes voting so different?

 

[Joe Mac]

I think when the rideshare companies initially started out, the idea that this job would be a “side hustle” for people that were already gainfully employed, owned and insured their own car, made sense but capitalism got in the way. They could never justify their gigantic IPO’s with people doing it casually on the side. They had to become a “disrupter” and compete with Taxi Cab services, now the only difference between cab companies and rideshares are that one doesn’t need a cab medallion and regularly fucks over their drivers.

Totally if it was that no one would complain. The fact that they justify fucking people over by saying it’s still that when it’s not is the problem.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I hear about all this terrible gerrymandering and voting suppression that's very obviously targeted at certain demographics and I wonder why no one on the other side is doing anything to combat this behaviour. Like pushing to making voting day a holiday or protected absence like Jury Duty, or putting together some secure online voting platform or a better method to vote. I mean, taxes are done online and that's secure enough for the government, what makes voting so different?

I almost posted this thread yesterday but it really works with your thoughts here. Sadly, things are likely gonna get rough for the foreseeable future…

 

[yukbon]

I almost posted this thread yesterday but it really works with your thoughts here. Sadly, things are likely gonna get rough for the foreseeable future…

This is so spot on it def doesn't count as a hot take, not even a lukewarm take, it's just common sense. I really wish democrats would get their shit together

 

[RenegadeMonster]

I hear about all this terrible gerrymandering and voting suppression that's very obviously targeted at certain demographics and I wonder why no one on the other side is doing anything to combat this behaviour. Like pushing to making voting day a holiday or protected absence like Jury Duty, or putting together some secure online voting platform or a better method to vote. I mean, taxes are done online and that's secure enough for the government, what makes voting so different?

Because we all know it's not about security. It's about creating advantages for the political party in charge.

This is so spot on it def doesn't count as a hot take, not even a lukewarm take, it's just common sense. I really wish democrats would get their shit together

Very on spot. But no voting related regulation or anything from that list is possible without blowing up the filibuster. It's just not going to happen. The Rs will filibuster it to death just like the voting reform a month or two back.

 

[nolalady]

Turns out that states that cut unemployment benefits early found that this did not translate into a large portion of people jumping into open vacancies. And while some might head scratch at this development, the answer is found buried in the article. The people who did get jobs saw an overall income decrease from the enhanced unemployment benefits. The reason people are not wanting to work is because employers aren't paying them a livable wage.

It’s important to underscore here that these figures represent employment differences among the cohort of people who were unemployed at the end of April. This is different from analyzing overall employment differences among the labor force in each state. Some or all of the 4.4 percentage points of extra people who got a job in the Withdrawal States may have done so at the expense of other job seekers, making the net effect on overall employment even lower than this figure suggests.

Cutting unemployment benefits in this way has two countervailing income effects. It directly reduces income from UI benefits while indirectly increasing income from the earnings of those who obtain employment as a result of the cut. The researchers estimate that earnings rose among the Withdrawal cohort by an average of $14 per week while benefits declined by $278 per week. Thus, the net income change was a decline of $264 per week, or $13,728 on an annualized basis.

Spending also decreased by $145 per week ($7,540 annually) in the Withdrawal cohort relative to the Retain cohort. This reduction in consumer spending will of course make it harder for businesses to hire people.

Recent Unemployment Cuts Made People Poorer Without Increasing Employment

The media breathlessly reported on labor shortages this summer, helping generate support for unemployment benefit cuts. But a new study shows such cuts didn't do much but devastate poor people's incomes.

jacobinmag.com

They mention in the article that a large number of American families reducing spending is not going to be good for our economy. I think this will have a devastating impact on our economy that we probably won't see for another couple years, but if prices continue to rise, we are going to have a lot of families having issues buying food and being able to afford housing. This is unsustainable.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Leicester scoring shorthanded to make this a game!!!

and ruin my clean sheets for my team!

WILDCARD INCOMING NEXT WEEK LOL yolo

 

[Joe Mac]

Leicester scoring shorthanded to make this a game!!!

and ruin my clean sheets for my team!

WILDCARD INCOMING NEXT WEEK LOL yolo

These are the politics that I care about!

 

[Jonathan Y]

Leicester scoring shorthanded to make this a game!!!

and ruin my clean sheets for my team!

WILDCARD INCOMING NEXT WEEK LOL yolo

These are the politics that I care about!

oh man how tf did i end up in this place?!?!!? EEEEEKKKKKK ABORT

 

[Joe Mac]

Couldn’t agree more. Climate change needs to be systematic, small individual acts will not turn this ship, we need to nail the fossil fuel giants and hold them accountable and make them change.

Big oil coined ‘carbon footprints’ to blame us for their greed. Keep them on the hook | Rebecca Solnit

Climate-conscious individual choices are good – but not nearly enough to save the planet. More than personal virtue, we need collective action

www.theguardian.com

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Turns out that states that cut unemployment benefits early found that this did not translate into a large portion of people jumping into open vacancies. And while some might head scratch at this development, the answer is found buried in the article. The people who did get jobs saw an overall income decrease from the enhanced unemployment benefits. The reason people are not wanting to work is because employers aren't paying them a livable wage.

It’s important to underscore here that these figures represent employment differences among the cohort of people who were unemployed at the end of April. This is different from analyzing overall employment differences among the labor force in each state. Some or all of the 4.4 percentage points of extra people who got a job in the Withdrawal States may have done so at the expense of other job seekers, making the net effect on overall employment even lower than this figure suggests.

Cutting unemployment benefits in this way has two countervailing income effects. It directly reduces income from UI benefits while indirectly increasing income from the earnings of those who obtain employment as a result of the cut. The researchers estimate that earnings rose among the Withdrawal cohort by an average of $14 per week while benefits declined by $278 per week. Thus, the net income change was a decline of $264 per week, or $13,728 on an annualized basis.

Spending also decreased by $145 per week ($7,540 annually) in the Withdrawal cohort relative to the Retain cohort. This reduction in consumer spending will of course make it harder for businesses to hire people.

Recent Unemployment Cuts Made People Poorer Without Increasing Employment

The media breathlessly reported on labor shortages this summer, helping generate support for unemployment benefit cuts. But a new study shows such cuts didn't do much but devastate poor people's incomes.

jacobinmag.com

They mention in the article that a large number of American families reducing spending is not going to be good for our economy. I think this will have a devastating impact on our economy that we probably won't see for another couple years, but if prices continue to rise, we are going to have a lot of families having issues buying food and being able to afford housing. This is unsustainable.

I have heard many financial experts say the stock market is overdue for a reset. It's not in touch with the economy right now. September historically has been a bad month for the stock market, with major crashes and being the start of the great depression, the recession in the 80's and 2000's.

With consumer spending down and all covid benefits ending it does look like the stock market is in for a tough time period. And this is not good for the average worker. Because businesses are so tied up around shareholder profits and the stock markets. A bit hit in stocks translates to businesses having layoffs and trying to do more with less to maximize profits for shareholders. It will also stall out any wage growth. New hires will be offered less, promotions could be put on hold until the stock market comes around. And if you are a non-executive to gets bonuses if you company hits their sales number. Yup, don't expect a bonus.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

 

[Twentytwo]

This should help Biden's approval ratings, that and Biden now has his own Benghazi.

Pentagon bracing for more attacks after troops killed at Kabul airport

American forces in Kabul were bracing for more Islamic State attacks while winding up their evacuation mission, U.S. officials said, as the number of U.S. troops killed in Thursday's suicide bomb attack rose to 13.

www.reuters.com

 

[RenegadeMonster]

This former ICU nurse makes $200k a month on OnlyFans​

OnlyFans reversed its decision to ban sexually explicit content on the platform, after backlash from creators like Allie Rae who earn a living on the site

Only Fans has been in the news a lot recently. First for saying they were going to ban porn on their platform to saying they reversed their decision after listening to their community and learning they would lose most of their business if they went forward with it.

But take a look at the above headline and the money that former ICU nurse makes and really just think about that and what that means.

Maybe 200k is not the norm per month on Only Fans, but the average person who does have an Only Fans account makes far more than they would ever working a "real job" with a college degree.

Most of the influencers I follow on Instagram do in fact have Only Fans accounts now. Most are just a paid instagram with posts like they post on Instagram more often or full photo shoots instead of one photo. Some will venture as far as being topless occasionally, but none do porn. And they have talked about Only Fans and why they created one.

For example, one influencer created a YouTube video explaining why she created an Only Fans. She explained that followers had been asking her to create one for some time, but she always said no, it's not for me. Posting nude pictures of herself online isn't for her.

But then COVID hit, and at the heart of lockdown she found herself furloughed. She decided to give Only Fans a try for a month to supplement her income and make rent. She advertised no nudes / topless to avoid the "she's a scammer" reviews for not posting that kind of material and basically said my Only Fans will have similar posts to what's on my Instagram, just more often. And she made $7,000 after Only Fans 20% fees in her first week. $30,000 in her first month.

She told all her subscribers to not renew. That she wasn't going to continue after the first month. But virtually everyone renewed so she continued to post rather than deal with cancellations and refunds. 6 months later she was making $50,000 a month, paid off her student loans and purchased her first house.

She went on to explain how much money you make depends on what your willing to show. The more your willing to show the more money you can make. She explained that those willing to show it all make more than $100,000k a week. And in the case of the top 1% of content creators on Only Fans, that can be over a million a month.

But just think about that for a moment. If an average Only Fans account can make $7k a week or more, what does that say about what jobs and salaries pay us currently? Dare I say it's a sign of "not enough" if many younger people are choosing to make a living off Only Fans or still have a job but have an Only Fans to actually pay the bills? And Only Fans being one of the few options for younger adults to actually live a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

 

[Max Sterling]

Only Fans has been in the news a lot recently. First for saying they were going to ban porn on their platform to saying they reversed their decision after listening to their community and learning they would lose most of their business if they went forward with it.

But take a look at the above headline and the money that former ICU nurse makes and really just think about that and what that means.

Maybe 200k is not the norm per month on Only Fans, but the average person who does have an Only Fans account makes far more than they would ever working a "real job" with a college degree.

Most of the influencers I follow on Instagram do in fact have Only Fans accounts now. Most are just a paid instagram with posts like they post on Instagram more often or full photo shoots instead of one photo. Some will venture as far as being topless occasionally, but none do porn. And they have talked about Only Fans and why they created one.

For example, one influencer created a YouTube video explaining why she created an Only Fans. She explained that followers had been asking her to create one for some time, but she always said no, it's not for me. Posting nude pictures of herself online isn't for her.

But then COVID hit, and at the heart of lockdown she found herself furloughed. She decided to give Only Fans a try for a month to supplement her income and make rent. She advertised no nudes / topless to avoid the "she's a scammer" reviews for not posting that kind of material and basically said my Only Fans will have similar posts to what's on my Instagram, just more often. And she made $7,000 after Only Fans 20% fees in her first week. $30,000 in her first month.

She told all her subscribers to not renew. That she wasn't going to continue after the first month. But virtually everyone renewed so she continued to post rather than deal with cancellations and refunds. 6 months later she was making $50,000 a month, paid off her student loans and purchased her first house.

She went on to explain how much money you make depends on what your willing to show. The more your willing to show the more money you can make. She explained that those willing to show it all make more than $100,000k a week. And in the case of the top 1% of content creators on Only Fans, that can be over a million a month.

But just think about that for a moment. If an average Only Fans account can make $7k a week or more, what does that say about what jobs and salaries pay us currently? Dare I say it's a sign of "not enough" if many younger people are choosing to make a living off Only Fans or still have a job but have an Only Fans to actually pay the bills?

I do wonder how long this model will last. Like, will people as a whole get over paying for this service? I mean, porn is freely found on the internet, there are no shortage of attractive men, women, and in between to ogle. It's the personal experience a lot of these folks offer that sets it apart. Like, they respond to messages, and share more than just pictures, but aspects of their lives. It's like an "Internet Girlfriend/Boyfriend experience" you're sharing with thousands of people, but it feels personal.

Will people keep interest? Will the content creators be able to continue to hold their interest? You see it on YouTube with content creators constantly changing the way they do things, trying new formats, adding new things, just trying to keep up with those algorithms. Many quit after a couple years. They get really popular for a minute, make their dough, then it just falls off unless they adapt. I really wonder about the longevity of the onlyfans model. Good on anyone who can take advantage of what it is right now, though.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Maybe 200k is not the norm per month on Only Fans, but the average person who does have an Only Fans account makes far more than they would ever working a "real job" with a college degree.

Not if you were extrapolate out lifetime earnings. showing your naked parts on the internet might make ya a decent amount of money initially but the average porn star’s career is like 6 months. Depending on the degree/career path your earnings potential over a lifetime would far exceed most people’s porn career.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

I do wonder how long this model will last. Like, will people as a whole get over paying for this service? I mean, porn is freely found on the internet, there are no shortage of attractive men, women, and in between to ogle. It's the personal experience a lot of these folks offer that sets it apart. Like, they respond to messages, and share more than just pictures, but aspects of their lives. It's like an "Internet Girlfriend/Boyfriend experience" you're sharing with thousands of people, but it feels personal.

Will people keep interest? Will the content creators be able to continue to hold their interest? You see it on YouTube with content creators constantly changing the way they do things, trying new formats, adding new things, just trying to keep up with those algorithms. Many quit after a couple years. They get really popular for a minute, make their dough, then it just falls off unless they adapt. I really wonder about the longevity of the onlyfans model. Good on anyone who can take advantage of what it is right now, though.

The longevity is pretty good. And it seems like there is not much adapting you need to do. You just need to keep posting. Anyone who stays active on the platform so far continues to make bank.

Those who just stop posting for whatever reasons, whether they now have a boyfriend or busy in life fade off as regular subscribers stop renewing. But still continue to make some money as new people join for a single month just to checkout what they posted.

Not if you were extrapolate out lifetime earnings. showing your naked parts on the internet might make ya a decent amount of money initially but the average porn star’s career is like 6 months. Depending on the degree/career path your earnings potential over a lifetime would far exceed most people’s porn career.

I wouldn't say it's fair to say it's comparable to a porn stars career. Sure, their are those who do post porn. But that's not everyone or the rule on Only Fans.

There are many Only Fans accounts that are several years old and going stronger than ever. As long as you keep posting you keep making money. And by posting that could mean a couple mirror selfies a month.

Sure Only Fans is not going to be a lifelong career. But there is a good potential that people could get 5 to 10 years of income out of it in their lifetime. And those potential earnings could be equal to their potential lifetime earnings from a regular job.

 

[Twentytwo]

Only Fans has been in the news a lot recently. First for saying they were going to ban porn on their platform to saying they reversed their decision after listening to their community and learning they would lose most of their business if they went forward with it.

But take a look at the above headline and the money that former ICU nurse makes and really just think about that and what that means.

Maybe 200k is not the norm per month on Only Fans, but the average person who does have an Only Fans account makes far more than they would ever working a "real job" with a college degree.

Most of the influencers I follow on Instagram do in fact have Only Fans accounts now. Most are just a paid instagram with posts like they post on Instagram more often or full photo shoots instead of one photo. Some will venture as far as being topless occasionally, but none do porn. And they have talked about Only Fans and why they created one.

For example, one influencer created a YouTube video explaining why she created an Only Fans. She explained that followers had been asking her to create one for some time, but she always said no, it's not for me. Posting nude pictures of herself online isn't for her.

But then COVID hit, and at the heart of lockdown she found herself furloughed. She decided to give Only Fans a try for a month to supplement her income and make rent. She advertised no nudes / topless to avoid the "she's a scammer" reviews for not posting that kind of material and basically said my Only Fans will have similar posts to what's on my Instagram, just more often. And she made $7,000 after Only Fans 20% fees in her first week. $30,000 in her first month.

She told all her subscribers to not renew. That she wasn't going to continue after the first month. But virtually everyone renewed so she continued to post rather than deal with cancellations and refunds. 6 months later she was making $50,000 a month, paid off her student loans and purchased her first house.

She went on to explain how much money you make depends on what your willing to show. The more your willing to show the more money you can make. She explained that those willing to show it all make more than $100,000k a week. And in the case of the top 1% of content creators on Only Fans, that can be over a million a month.

But just think about that for a moment. If an average Only Fans account can make $7k a week or more, what does that say about what jobs and salaries pay us currently? Dare I say it's a sign of "not enough" if many younger people are choosing to make a living off Only Fans or still have a job but have an Only Fans to actually pay the bills? And Only Fans being one of the few options for younger adults to actually live a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

Guys on only fans trying to make money.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

To be clear, you're saying this was one average person whose account brings in this revenue, not that this is the average income for someone who produces content, correct?

By average person I'm talking about about someone who has an Only Fans account, posts a couple times a week and does not have nudity or porn who has about 15,000 followers on social media before creating their account.

So correct, I'm not talking about someone who produces content as in nudes or porn.