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According to Elon, his feet have been planted firmly center and his political views have not changed over the years. But rather there has been an expulsion to the left, a radicalization that has shifted the political spectrum leaving him leaning ever more right while his feet are firmly planted.

And a recent poll Hannity says backs up Elon's claims. There are more people who believe the left has been expanding and say they lean more right today even though they consider them self independence / center.

I see this and think wtf.

Other than a few liberals who are progressive, I don't see any real shift on the left end of the spectrum. Everything I see points to the right moving further right.

I just don't get it.
 
Dtknuckles said:
Do we trust anything this man says?

And Elon is the world’s richest edgelord.
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I don't trust a thing that comes out of that man's mouth.

It's the poll that has me scratching my head.

  • 42% of Americans identify as independent
  • 28% as Democrats
  • 28% as Republicans
When the independents were asked which way they leaned the majority said right.

They they view themselves as center, but feel the left is too progressive. Is this a sign that these people are moving further right? Falling for misinformation? What does it mean exactly?

There isn't the same concern that the right has gone too far right.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
I don't trust a thing that comes out of that man's mouth.

It's the poll that has me scratching my head.

  • 42% of Americans identify as independent
  • 28% as Democrats
  • 28% as Republicans
When the independents were asked which way they leaned the majority said right.

They they view themselves as center, but feel the left is too progressive. Is this a sign that these people are moving further right? Falling for misinformation? What does it mean exactly?

There isn't the same concern that the right has gone too far right.
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Yea the same poll will say something different in 2 years.

My point being that you really have to look at more historical data to see if this is outside the norm.
 
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RenegadeMonster said:
I don't trust a thing that comes out of that man's mouth.

It's the poll that has me scratching my head.

  • 42% of Americans identify as independent
  • 28% as Democrats
  • 28% as Republicans
When the independents were asked which way they leaned the majority said right.

They they view themselves as center, but feel the left is too progressive. Is this a sign that these people are moving further right? Falling for misinformation? What does it mean exactly?

There isn't the same concern that the right has gone too far right.
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Here's where I get prickly with all this "left" and "right". What does each term mean exactly? Am I more left if I believe in equal rights for LGBQT community and pro choice legislation, or am I more left if I believe that the people should own the means of production? When the above article talks about left and right, they are talking about social views. And honestly, those are going to differ among people. One person could be for LGBQT marriage, but pro-life too, or vice versa. There are many permutations one can have for a whole host of views. In times of economic uncertainty, polls have always shown people to lean more conservative. The austerity of the fiscal situation seems to seep into social views, not because people are close minded, but instead they are hoping to recreate something from their childhood when things were not quite so dire.

The problem with all of these arguments is that we aren't talking about how we should be governed, just what policies we might like. We don't ask how the concentration of wealth has broken our democracy and how we can unconcentrate that wealth. We only talk about neoliberal policies versus neo-conservative policies, but both of these systems champion a few people holding the wealth and choosing what to do with that wealth. Until we start talking more about our system of government and less about personal freedoms, we will continue in this ridiculous groundhog day loop of environmental destruction, mass poverty, and falling life expectancies.

Now that Elon has Twitter, I am thinking of opening an account where I tweet out a daily reminder that billionaires shouldn't exist.
 
Marjorie Taylor Greene, shakes my head.

She Heckled democrats trying to pass a relief bill for Ukraine. Said that the money was going to support "Natzis" , "NATO Natzis" at that. Then she deflected to our souther border and how Democrats keep sending money to our Military and Ukraine but won't spend money to defend our southern border.
 
apple.news

Admissions Horror Show — Town & Country

No more legacy preferences, test-score flouting, and résumé padding! Watch, if you dare, as the merely rich and only sort of powerful attempt to secure Ivy League admission spots without the old bag of tricks.
apple.news apple.news

Privileged Affluent White Americans are very very concerned about this years college admissions.

  • Being a legacy holds no weight any longer at most universities including Ivy League
  • SAT/ACT scores are no longer a requirement
  • Being able to commit and pay in cash during during the early admissions process does not give you an advantage.
  • Universities are focusing on diversity and inclusion with their admission practices.
  • Universities are welcoming first generation university students.
This means that the easy access to a good education at Ivy League schools for the white affluent is no longer there. Acceptance rates are at an all time low this year. Many legacy affluent white families found them either out right rejected, waiting on general admission or wait listed.

In addition to changes in the admission process, there is vastly more potential inbound freshmen this year due to the "Covid" world we live in. Many students chose to defer their education by a year because they didn't want to pay $60k for a "Zoom" education only fueling the record low acceptance rates.

Affluent White families say the admission process this year has been sickening. They are not pleased. Especially when "legacy" means nothing anymore and doesn't give them instant access.

This look like it could be a ripe subject for clashing change in the next few years.
 
nolalady said:
Here's where I get prickly with all this "left" and "right". What does each term mean exactly? Am I more left if I believe in equal rights for LGBQT community and pro choice legislation, or am I more left if I believe that the people should own the means of production? When the above article talks about left and right, they are talking about social views. And honestly, those are going to differ among people. One person could be for LGBQT marriage, but pro-life too, or vice versa. There are many permutations one can have for a whole host of views. In times of economic uncertainty, polls have always shown people to lean more conservative. The austerity of the fiscal situation seems to seep into social views, not because people are close minded, but instead they are hoping to recreate something from their childhood when things were not quite so dire.

The problem with all of these arguments is that we aren't talking about how we should be governed, just what policies we might like. We don't ask how the concentration of wealth has broken our democracy and how we can unconcentrate that wealth. We only talk about neoliberal policies versus neo-conservative policies, but both of these systems champion a few people holding the wealth and choosing what to do with that wealth. Until we start talking more about our system of government and less about personal freedoms, we will continue in this ridiculous groundhog day loop of environmental destruction, mass poverty, and falling life expectancies.

Now that Elon has Twitter, I am thinking of opening an account where I tweet out a daily reminder that billionaires shouldn't exist.
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Yes this times 1,000! Personal rights are all well and good and like most people on here I’m broadly in agreement with the vast majority of them. However it is absolutely true that we’ve become so bogged down in individual that we’ve lost track of the global and disparity has deepened and worsened. So few people consume so much of our money and our resources and disproportionately destroy our planet. Also even if we play along with that game no one in the party political system in America is further left than the right end of the right of centre.
 
Joe Mac said:
Yes this times 1,000! Personal rights are all well and good and like most people on here I’m broadly in agreement with the vast majority of them. However it is absolutely true that we’ve become so bogged down in individual that we’ve lost track of the global and disparity has deepened and worsened. So few people consume so much of our money and our resources and disproportionately destroy our planet. Also even if we play along with that game no one in the party political system in America is further left than the right end of the right of centre.
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Meanwhile the left in the American Political System are extremists, socialists and commies by the right, by both voters and politicians. They tend to spout that the left is to blame for all these issues and are destroying our country and economy. They don't view them being on the center of the political system. They view them as being miles and miles left. And I'm talking about politicians like Biden and Polosi. We are not talking about AOC here who are left of center, but by no means extremists when compared to other democracies in the world.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
apple.news

Admissions Horror Show — Town & Country

No more legacy preferences, test-score flouting, and résumé padding! Watch, if you dare, as the merely rich and only sort of powerful attempt to secure Ivy League admission spots without the old bag of tricks.
apple.news apple.news

Privileged Affluent White Americans are very very concerned about this years college admissions.

  • Being a legacy holds no weight any longer at most universities including Ivy League
  • SAT/ACT scores are no longer a requirement
  • Being able to commit and pay in cash during during the early admissions process does not give you an advantage.
  • Universities are focusing on diversity and inclusion with their admission practices.
  • Universities are welcoming first generation university students.
This means that the easy access to a good education at Ivy League schools for the white affluent is no longer there. Acceptance rates are at an all time low this year. Many legacy affluent white families found them either out right rejected, waiting on general admission or wait listed.

In addition to changes in the admission process, there is vastly more potential inbound freshmen this year due to the "Covid" world we live in. Many students chose to defer their education by a year because they didn't want to pay $60k for a "Zoom" education only fueling the record low acceptance rates.

Affluent White families say the admission process this year has been sickening. They are not pleased. Especially when "legacy" means nothing anymore and doesn't give them instant access.

This look like it could be a ripe subject for clashing change in the next few years.
Click to expand...
I would love to see actual admittance statistics on this. From what I understand, the legacy moniker still holds weight, BUT (get this) the student must now actually qualify for admission on their own merits--because many of these legacies didn't actually qualify for admission into the elite institutions they attended in the past.

This article is a cooled down list of what is changing in admissions for college. It looks like they are taking some things to heart to try to make the system more equitable. The promise college contains is an economic one. If that promise was extended to more jobs, maybe we wouldn't need to fight to get into college.
www.collegiateparent.com

12 College Admissions Trends to Watch - CollegiateParent

The more you know about the current admissions scene, the more you can help your high school student apply to the right colleges. Here are 12 trends to watch.
www.collegiateparent.com www.collegiateparent.com
 
nolalady said:
I would love to see actual admittance statistics on this. From what I understand, the legacy moniker still holds weight, BUT (get this) the student must now actually qualify for admission on their own merits--because many of these legacies didn't actually qualify for admission into the elite institutions they attended in the past.

This article is a cooled down list of what is changing in admissions for college. It looks like they are taking some things to heart to try to make the system more equitable. The promise college contains is an economic one. If that promise was extended to more jobs, maybe we wouldn't need to fight to get into college.
www.collegiateparent.com

12 College Admissions Trends to Watch - CollegiateParent

The more you know about the current admissions scene, the more you can help your high school student apply to the right colleges. Here are 12 trends to watch.
www.collegiateparent.com www.collegiateparent.com
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I read this article at the weekend and have been wondering what to think of it ever since, it’s certainly made me think, which I suppose is all you can ask for from an opinion piece. I wonder what you make of it?

www.theguardian.com

Is it fair that we spend so much helping middle-class children into adulthood? | Sonia Sodha

A university education has many benefits, yet it comes with huge downsides for society
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Joe Mac said:
I read this article at the weekend and have been wondering what to think of it ever since, it’s certainly made me think, which I suppose is all you can ask for from an opinion piece. I wonder what you make of it?

www.theguardian.com

Is it fair that we spend so much helping middle-class children into adulthood? | Sonia Sodha

A university education has many benefits, yet it comes with huge downsides for society
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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For an opinion piece it hit the nail on the head on several issues. Such as post graduate best paying job opportunities land on the socially well connected rather than those with the academic qualifications.

When it comes to Legacies and Ivy League universities here in America, the connections you make in the elite social circles gives you an almost an insurmountable advantage to those top 1% positions. Who you know holds a hell of a lot more weight than your grades and what school you went too.

And this is one of the reasons affluent white americans are very worried about admissions. Not getting in to said school means they won't have those advantages / privileges.

And surprise surprise, those social circles the develop in Ivy League Universities are primarily all white, legacy and affluent. Not white, affluent or a legacy? You likely will not be invited to the social club.

The playing field is being leveled. It's more about academic qualifications and less about money and connections. And this really scares the people who have enjoyed the privilege for a few generations.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
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The dog has caught the car. And I am pretty sure it will have no damn idea what to do now.

From my political experience, none of the non-religious folks on that side of the aisle ever wanted this day to come. It was too politically convenient to keep evangelicals foaming at the mouth while still appealing to the moneyed interests and suburban moms who are markedly pro-choice.
 
Guess this is not a surprise. But I'm also a bit surprise we also have a draft already for a fall term ruling.

It shows that this was never really going to go any other way with this current court.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
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This abortion right repeal just removes any veneer of objectivity the Supreme Court has. It’s just a group of people who interpret laws in varying ways who are indirectly elected through our senate elections. The majority picks the ones that want to align the rules of society to fit their world view. It’s as simple as that.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
Congress just has to pass the Women’s Health Protection Act by a simple majority, and this threat all goes away, https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/06/07/roe-abortion-congress-mississippi/
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Even if they do (don't think they will), the GOP is just gonna retake the Senate and possibly also the House in November. You know their first act would be to repeal the law.

And here I am in Ohio taking a GOP primary ballot (which changes my party affiliation) this morning to vote for the less super crazies so people like Mandel/Vance don't show up in November. I'll vote straight Dem then, but it likely won't matter, so today is when I can at least make some difference.
 
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