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Even if they do (don't think they will), the GOP is just gonna retake the Senate and possibly also the House in November. You know their first act would be to repeal the law.

And here I am in Ohio taking a GOP primary ballot (which changes my party affiliation) this morning to vote for the less super crazies so people like Mandel/Vance don't show up in November. I'll vote straight Dem then, but it likely won't matter, so today is when I can at least make some difference.

That's why I registered as an independent. In middle school, something my history teacher said to me stuck with me. He was also a city counsel member.

If you are registered as an independent in off elections years you can select the ballot of the other party to vote for the candidate least likely to win during the primary. In todays day an age, that translates perfectly to the lesser of two evils as the objective.
 
That's why I registered as an independent. In middle school, something my history teacher said to me stuck with me. He was also a city counsel member.

If you are registered as an independent in off elections years you can select the ballot of the other party to vote for the candidate least likely to win during the primary. In todays day an age, that translates perfectly to the lesser of two evils as the objective.
In Ohio, you're automatically enrolled in whichever party whose ballot you select in the primary and you can't vote in a GOP/Dem party primary as an independent. If you select Independent, you literally only get to vote for the candidates who registered as such.
 
I read this article at the weekend and have been wondering what to think of it ever since, it’s certainly made me think, which I suppose is all you can ask for from an opinion piece. I wonder what you make of it?

On quick peruse, I would say that the last line of the article is the best: But to simply plough the money into an elitist system that shores up class privilege because we lack the imagination to design something different would be a missed opportunity.

I think that the reason that this is hotly debated is because college does give a person an economic advantage that nothing else can. Our system is currently designed this way. Colleges have stopped being learning institutions and have become businesses. They attract students with more amenities, bigger student dorms and apartments, and big sports teams. This largely started with this siphoning of government money into institutions--so that deserving people who want to do things like become doctors, lawyers and engineers could do so without financial burden--and quickly got perverted into a neoliberal cash cow for universities. The meritocracy that we used in the past to pick good students now had a price tag attached to it by the government. With the influence of a possible pay day, schools were eager to take government money and students were eager to compete for scholarships. As we know, however, this competition is uneven, usually due to the resources that middle class parents pour into their children. Only a kid that plays the flute is going to get a flute scholarship, and who has money for flute lessons? So is it fair that we spend this money on middle class kids? Short answer no. We should probably spend that money on early childhood education if we want to shore up our gaps.

But moreso, it's this neoliberal push for everything to be "run as a business" that I think is the really toxic idea that we need to get rid of. Until we address the obscene money making game that universities have become, we will always have problems. The first time I thought about the ridiculousness of running our societal institutions like businesses was when I read about cooperation research (i.e. people are more happy and productive in a cooperative environment than a competitive one). I thought about the neoliberal push for every family unit to be it's own "business". And from there I naturally connected the two--the reason that things feel so much worse in society is because when we shifted to thinking like businesses, we destroyed a lot of societal cooperation--not at first, but through time as children thought of this system as the norm. Why would you cooperate with your neighbor? You two are competing businesses--competing for resources that are drying up.

If our goal is to educate our society, is competition really the best way? People work best and are happiest in cooperative situations. Education is no different. So then how do we solve the problem of inequality when some jobs are paid so much higher than others? Well, I don't really think people should be paid all that differently and we shouldn't allow any one person to accumulate too much. There are countless studies that suggest that when one person gets too much power, it doesn't matter who they are, they become less generous and more emotionally removed from others. So wealth accumulation is also really bad, not only for the humans that don't have the wealth, but also for the human that does. There is no real short answer to fix this because we have allowed it to become too uneven. In the ancient past, rulers had debt jubilees when inequality was too great. That is something we need to consider today to avoid violence in Western society.
 
The dog has caught the car. And I am pretty sure it will have no damn idea what to do now.

From my political experience, none of the non-religious folks on that side of the aisle ever wanted this day to come. It was too politically convenient to keep evangelicals foaming at the mouth while still appealing to the moneyed interests and suburban moms who are markedly pro-choice.
This is what I'm wondering too. What the f*** are these people going to do with their Saturdays now?

But really, I'm just pissed off that we get to make rules about my body that I get no say in. This shit is getting old.
 
But really, I'm just pissed off that we get to make rules about my body that I get no say in. This shit is getting old.
I wish I remember who said it, but I was bleary eyed this morning. The quote was something like:
"finally unborn babies will have rights"
My wife almost lost complete composure and left for work pretty upset.
 
I randomly woke up at 2 or 3 this morning and decided to check my phone. I have been in a daze since I read the news.

I’m sitting here in my office at work absolutely sick to my stomach. It’s been quite some time since I’ve felt despair like this.
 
That's why I registered as an independent. In middle school, something my history teacher said to me stuck with me. He was also a city counsel member.

If you are registered as an independent in off elections years you can select the ballot of the other party to vote for the candidate least likely to win during the primary. In todays day an age, that translates perfectly to the lesser of two evils as the objective.

This is just ridiculous on its' face.
FL is similar; In FL you can only vote in a primary for whatever party you're registered in. No independent primary, you don't vote. If you're not a member of a party why would that party let you have a say in which candidates pass the primary and go to general election? That seems ridiculous to me.
 
FL is similar; In FL you can only vote in a primary for whatever party you're registered in. No independent primary, you don't vote. If you're not a member of a party why would that party let you have a say in which candidates pass the primary and go to general election? That seems ridiculous to me.
Maybe because you hate fascism, fascists, and fascist tactics to keep fascists in power?
 
Maybe because you hate fascism, fascists, and fascist tactics to keep fascists in power?

Most fascists do not think of themselves as fascists, but as correct-thinking, rational people.

Given this mindset -- why would they allow someone who is explicitly not part of the group, to vote in the election that guides the direction of that group?

They would instead want people guiding that group that are invested in the results of that guidance. Thus "if you're not a registered member of [this party] you can't vote in [this party]'s primary."

You can still vote in the general, no matter what the affiliation, of course. But the primary is basically in-group housekeeping.
 
I’m feeling such a pit in my stomach. The right is typically the source of slippery slope “well what will come next??”ism, but I can’t help but worry this opens the door for so many draconian states’ rights laws; this could pave the way for codified anti-trans laws, anti-women laws, the repealing of Loving and the return of Jim Crow, if you want to get real doom and gloom.

Thinking of my freshman year high school natural science teacher, who pointed out the difference between advanced and stunted societies is whether women are allowed to get educated and go to work. Considering this move is specifically targeting poor women and enforcing retrograde gender norms, I’m really fucking scared we’re about to erase a century of progress. The next generation will internalize regressive gender norms, our economy will take a hit as the poor get poorer, and our attention towards science and social advancement will utterly wither.

I really hope this shit radicalizes enough of us.
 
I’m feeling such a pit in my stomach. The right is typically the source of slippery slope “well what will come next??”ism, but I can’t help but worry this opens the door for so many draconian states’ rights laws; this could pave the way for codified anti-trans laws, anti-women laws, the repealing of Loving and the return of Jim Crow, if you want to get real doom and gloom.

Thinking of my freshman year high school natural science teacher, who pointed out the difference between advanced and stunted societies is whether women are allowed to get educated and go to work. Considering this move is specifically targeting poor women and enforcing retrograde gender norms, I’m really fucking scared we’re about to erase a century of progress. The next generation will internalize regressive gender norms, our economy will take a hit as the poor get poorer, and our attention towards science and social advancement will utterly wither.

I really hope this shit radicalizes enough of us.
The recent Texas abortion ban is already pretty fucking draconian. And that was passed WITH Roe v Wade still active. I'm terrified of what comes next.
 
Most fascists do not think of themselves as fascists, but as correct-thinking, rational people.

Given this mindset -- why would they allow someone who is explicitly not part of the group, to vote in the election that guides the direction of that group?

They would instead want people guiding that group that are invested in the results of that guidance. Thus "if you're not a registered member of [this party] you can't vote in [this party]'s primary."

You can still vote in the general, no matter what the affiliation, of course. But the primary is basically in-group housekeeping.
Because primaries are where the fix gets put in. By the time the General comes around it's just picking a poison. It's just another conceptual extension of gerrymandering by denying people the ability to actually weigh in. While I don't agree with it I can at least acknowledge the logic behind party registrations but undercutting the very purpose of the independent alignment is what I am getting on about.
 
alternately to build momentum for the right: "we're so close! come out and vote so they can't stop it!"

Yeah, my thought is that there's four distinct possibilities

A. Someone in / or is sympathetic the Alito/Thomas/Barrett camp - they had a solid five on initial review without Roberts, assigned to Alito, and then saw liberals/Roberts trying to peel off someone (probably Kavanaugh or Gorsuch) for a compromise that further dilutes Roe and Casye but doesn't explicitly terminate them. This would be to try and force that party to stop waffling or to spread the negative public reaction over a longer period of time to mitigate some of the overall political impact.

B. Someone in / or is sympathetic to John Roberts or liberals on the court who is believed to be trying to forge a compromise with himself, the liberals on the court, and one of the conservative judges to further restrict abortion rights while maintaining Roe to show general public/political reaction and push whoever that fifth is, possibly as a Kennedy-esque vote.

C. A rogue clerk who may see this as so far beyond the pale that they are willing to risk their legal career to try and impact the process

D. An unrelated party that, in some manner, came across this early draft. This could be nearly anything from larger political focus, to violence incitement, to a victory lap, to anything in between.
 
Well yeah in the sense that it wasn’t an accident, of course. I just think that a lot of the general public is receiving this news as if someone sympathetic to established law is sounding the alarm for the rest of us, and similar to the thoughts @waruv and @yukbon have posted above, I'm not yet sure that's the point. Painting Roe supporters as alarmist might be part of the game.
This would assume those in Washington are actually playing Chess instead of Candyland. I'm not ready to give them that much credit yet.
 
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