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Melt Face Molly Drop said:
This would assume those in Washington are actually playing Chess instead of Candyland. I'm not ready to give them that much credit yet.
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Not many things trigger me but fucking Candyland is one of those precious few things. In this case it may even be relevant because contrary to popular illusion, Candyland is not a game. A game suggests that players can somehow effect the outcome through decision making or timing or skill. Candyland's outcome is predetermined strictly by initial deck state.
 
debianlinux said:
Because primaries are where the fix gets put in. By the time the General comes around it's just picking a poison. It's just another conceptual extension of gerrymandering by denying people the ability to actually weigh in. While I don't agree with it I can at least acknowledge the logic behind party registrations but undercutting the very purpose of the independent alignment is what I am getting on about.
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oh no argument on the last point, for sure 3rd parties have been getting the shaft ever since the two major parties decided to just split the pie two ways.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Painting Roe supporters as alarmist might be part of the game.
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I mean. In the same way that people painted hillary as alarmist when she was like "tulsi gabbard is a russian agent infiltrating the democratic party" and "donald trump is corrupt and wholly in putin's pocket, also dumb as fucking bricks and a complete piece of shit". stating observable facts as they are is not alarmist IMO, but definitely the right (especially the propaganda arm, fox news,) will paint facts as alarmist no matter what. cf: covid vaccines being politicized is, by any reasonable measure, insane. politicizing the vaccines and making disbelief in science and expertise a central in-group signifier very much cost trump the election.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
This would assume those in Washington are actually playing Chess instead of Candyland. I'm not ready to give them that much credit yet.
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I don't give them that much credit either. Psychopaths are notoriously bad at long term planning.
debianlinux said:
outcome is predetermined strictly by initial deck state.
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We call this traditional monarchy. Oligarchy can create a similar state in society, which is what is going on in the US.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Well yeah in the sense that it wasn’t an accident, of course. I just think that a lot of the general public is receiving this news as if someone sympathetic to established law is sounding the alarm for the rest of us, and similar to the thoughts @waruv and @yukbon have posted above, I'm not yet sure that's the point. Painting Roe supporters as alarmist might be part of the game.
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I think there's also the potential that someone politically savvy on the Alito/Barrett/Thomas side wanted to give the right wing media sphere a grievance to continue off of. For decades at this point abortion rights have been the car the conservative dog has chased and it has been caught - hypothetically freeing up some single issue voters. Having the "the true crime is that it was leaked" counter-message is important as you can see by Fox News' reaction. There's a reason Fox is talking substantially more about the grievous sin of leaking the confidential act than the paradigm shifting scope of the draft decision - they need it to keep voters driven and conservatives angry.

It reminds me a bit of the leaks that got Trump impeached where the government intent was to hunt down the leaking party as opposed to addressing the issue. Same kind of thing here.

Edit: There's a good tweet thread from a former SC Clerk, no inside info but a reasonably compelling case the leak may be from a right leaning source. Grammar fixes on my end too.

 
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nolalady said:
This is how they handled Julian Assange as well, but we won't go there.
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meh, that dude turned out to just be a shill/pawn for putin, so although i approve of much of what wikileaks has done, his obvious allegiances are shady at best and i am 100% in favor of him getting fucked over in some general legal way, because that terrible race-to-the-bottom cynical mercinary viewpoint that russia has instiled in it's people after interminable fuckings-over is absolutely where the US is headed and Assange definitely helped.
 
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