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Bull Shannon said:
Per the measure, plenty of states still have this socked away in their constitutions; they cited three different states which only recently removed it.

Coulda used some changes that actually affect present-day life here, but there was a lot of “let’s put language in the constitution.” We had a measure to declare affordable healthcare a human right in Oregon. Nothing about what that would consist of or how to implement it, but good for us I guess? It probably has to do with that fact that if you proposed a free walk-in clinic, people would start asking “who’s gonna pay for that?”
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Appreciate the context. Had seen the healthcare measure failing and assumed it was people voting against self interests.
 
epyon415 said:
Appreciate the context. Had seen the healthcare measure failing and assumed it was people voting against self interests.
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Oh crud; I voted for the healthcare language. Even if it was the same as doing nothing, codifying it might lead to action. Plus the opposing voices boiled down to “you can’t make people help people,” and “if you force doctors to help poor people they’ll make less money.”
 
Bull Shannon said:
Oh crud; I voted for the healthcare language. Even if it was the same as doing nothing, codifying it might lead to action. Plus the opposing voices boiled down to “you can’t make people help people,” and “if you force doctors to help poor people they’ll make less money.”
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But trickle down economics is a sound socioeconomic philosophy: lol
 
Got my hair cut this morning.

My barber was going on and on about the economy. How expensive things are getting and show she voted Republican because of the economy was the more important issue to her.

She was telling me about how an 84 year old man had to get a job because he could not afford his home heating oil even after aid available to seniors. Things are just to expensive for people on a fixed income.

Also, that people looking for seasonal work this year to help put aside money for Christmas or pay their winter heating bills are out of luck. No one is hiring seasonal help this year. Black Friday is no longer a thing. Everything is "online" these days and some stores won't even be open for Black Friday.

I was like, well companies like UPS or Amazon for sure will be hiring help. She followed up with no, I don't think so. One of her Customers works for Amazon. They just laid off 3000 people.
 
ayayrawn said:
Tfw the entire country of Brazil counted faster than Arizona and Nevada.
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Because we want to "hand count" as we don't trust the results.

Just heard in Arizona, the GOP has voted to appeal the decision in a country to not hand count ballots. They are trying to force a hand count right now.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Because we want to "hand count" as we don't trust the results.

Just heard in Arizona, the GOP has voted to appeal the decision in a country to not hand count ballots. They are trying to force a hand count right now.
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Tbh we just do hand counts over here and still don't use voting machines and it works quite well
 
Jan said:
Tbh we just do hand counts over here and still don't use voting machines and it works quite well
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Yeah same. It actually works better.

We purchased a pile of electronic voting machines in 2002 for €54m and shortly prior to the first election they were doing to a report into their use castigated them for being insecure and expressed huge reservations at the lack of a paper trial. They were pulled and sold for scrap metal for €9m in 2012. Celtic Tiger Ireland was a mad old place and time!
 
We don't use digital voting machines, at least in my state.

The ballots are still paper, and you fill in the circle/bubble with a pen to vote.

Usually ballots like this are counted by a machine. And there is a paper trail. And the counting is very accurate. However, after these counts are completed there has been a growing movement to not trust the results So they recount the ballots, by hand to buy time while they try to find ways to challenge / disqualify votes to sway the election in their favor. Find a common minor error that would impact "the other side of the aisle" more and file law suites.

The reason our hand counting takes so long, is it's not the first time the votes have been counted in most cases across this country.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Got my hair cut this morning.

My barber was going on and on about the economy. How expensive things are getting and show she voted Republican because of the economy was the more important issue to her.

She was telling me about how an 84 year old man had to get a job because he could not afford his home heating oil even after aid available to seniors. Things are just to expensive for people on a fixed income.

Also, that people looking for seasonal work this year to help put aside money for Christmas or pay their winter heating bills are out of luck. No one is hiring seasonal help this year. Black Friday is no longer a thing. Everything is "online" these days and some stores won't even be open for Black Friday.

I was like, well companies like UPS or Amazon for sure will be hiring help. She followed up with no, I don't think so. One of her Customers works for Amazon. They just laid off 3000 people.
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I mean a quick google search doesn’t support Amazon lay offs. They have frozen corporate hiring which wouldn’t be seasonal work anyhow.

Plenty of retail spaces here are advertising the need for seasonal work.
 
Jan said:
Tbh we just do hand counts over here and still don't use voting machines and it works quite well
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Joe Mac said:
Yeah same. It actually works better.

We purchased a pile of electronic voting machines in 2002 for €54m and shortly prior to the first election they were doing to a report into their use castigated them for being insecure and expressed huge reservations at the lack of a paper trial. They were pulled and sold for scrap metal for €9m in 2012. Celtic Tiger Ireland was a mad old place and time!
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Canada hand-counts too. We're not huge by any means, but still bigger than these small states and the results are in some time in the same night.
 
Turbo said:
Canada hand-counts too. We're not huge by any means, but still bigger than these small states and the results are in some time in the same night.
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With it being PR here with multiple seats in a voting area it largely depends on how many counts need to be done and transfers. It can take well into the next day with tight counts.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
We don't use digital voting machines, at least in my state.

The ballots are still paper, and you fill in the circle/bubble with a pen to vote.

Usually ballots like this are counted by a machine. And there is a paper trail. And the counting is very accurate. However, after these counts are completed there has been a growing movement to not trust the results So they recount the ballots, by hand to buy time while they try to find ways to challenge / disqualify votes to sway the election in their favor. Find a common minor error that would impact "the other side of the aisle" more and file law suites.

The reason our hand counting takes so long, is it's not the first time the votes have been counted in most cases across this country.
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I’m not sure how that’s work with our PR system and numbering your preferences and transfers. It’d have to be a very clever machine!
 
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