One thing that stands out to me is that in days past, a vote for aid for Israel was always one of the most non-controversial votes. These days our government appears incapable of doing even this because it is to fractured.
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One thing that stands out to me is that in days past, a vote for aid for Israel was always one of the most non-controversial votes. These days our government appears incapable of doing even this because it is to fractured.
Nee Lewman
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I think aid for Israel should be controversial. I’m sure If I hit the link it will anger as to why it is controversial. I don’t need that stress today.
Right there with you.
Why it's controversial is not what you would expect. But in reality it could be a lot worse reasen than what it is.
The aid package to Israel is $14.3 Billion. The far right included in the package equal cuts to the IRS to offset the aid in the budget. Something that will make every democrat vote no for. And the republican party may be to fractured to pass this on their own.
The typical conservative political agenda these days.
Explain to me the logic behind this.
How can we have people who are for the United States to back Israel and against the ceasefire while at the same time being anti semitic and threatening jewish US citizens.
Anti Semitism, threats and violence are drasticly increased in the United States since the start of this conflict. Especially on college campuses.
How can we have people who are for the United States to back Israel and against the ceasefire while at the same time being anti semitic and threatening jewish US citizens.
Anti Semitism, threats and violence are drasticly increased in the United States since the start of this conflict. Especially on college campuses.
ayayrawn
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I've been reading a lot about this seeming cognitive disonance. People like MTG go on about Soros and jewish space lasers, but are lockstep behind Israel and their actions. Why is that?
It boils down to both the US and Israel's original creations as white, european settler colonies in places originally inhabited by indigenous people of color. The original tenants of zionism were (and still are) significantly more racialized and right wing than American liberals like or care to think about. A jewish comedian I follow made a joke about how American politicians are scrambling trying to decide of they hate jews or brown people more right now, which is actually a pretty trenchant observation. MTG is using Rashida Talib's criticism of Israel to censure her in the House, so that answers that question in her regard. Not to mention both American parties love nothing more than warmongering, no matter who it's against.
Here's a great (jewish) source and organization on the creation of zionism and how it's manipulated millions into giving Israel a free pass to commit atrocities in broad daylight. The ADL has labeled Jewish Voice for Peace an anti-semitic hate group, an insane statement which should tell you all you need to know.
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ayayrawn
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Coincidentally, today is the anniversary of the Balfour agreement. Hertzl went to the UK for help establishing Israel because what other country knew more about oppressive colonialism. The first british governor of Jerusalem called it a "Little Ulster" for England in "a sea of hostile arabism". Speaks for itself.
Joe Mac
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Where there’s a messy bloody partition that entrenches the power of a subjugated majority, as opposed to the power of the actual majority over the entire territory, then you know Britain has had its hands in there.
PS. And as an aside, and in addition to the article I posted earlier there is a long and proud history of solidarity between Irish republicanism and both Arab and Indian republicanism, in terms of whom they were fighting for it and the methods and goals. Depresisngly all three were hi jacked by religious extremists. Thankfully we appear to be coming out the other end of that last bit now.
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When did rounding up all the homeless and putting them in tent cities become a campaign promise.
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Or involuntary long term commitment:
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AnthonyI
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I'm trying to find a book that I saw listed on Goodreads earlier today to reference here but haven't had any luck yet.
The book was all about the left / Democrats and how the party has pretty much doomed itself.
The political scientist who authored the book pretty much said the party has gone to the extreme left and has abandoned the center where most of their historic, working class base is from.
And to be fair, the author did say both sides have moved to the extreme ends of the spectrum which has resulting in our government being to polarized to function. But somehow the Right has a movement and base behind them as they have shifted further right, where as the Democrats have abandoned their base in doing so.
I'm just sitting here thinking what the actual fuck. The left is in no way or means extreme. They are all mostly centalists in my opinion. The neo liberal policies are not far off from what the right pushes for. Only a hand full of Democrats could be considered far left, and they really are not extreme. They are just left pushing ideas for things like Universal Health Care, you know, something the rest of the developed world already has... This is not extremism people.
Why do we keep hearing about the left moving further left? I just don't see it. I see more central / right movement since the 70's with neoliberalism.
The book was all about the left / Democrats and how the party has pretty much doomed itself.
The political scientist who authored the book pretty much said the party has gone to the extreme left and has abandoned the center where most of their historic, working class base is from.
And to be fair, the author did say both sides have moved to the extreme ends of the spectrum which has resulting in our government being to polarized to function. But somehow the Right has a movement and base behind them as they have shifted further right, where as the Democrats have abandoned their base in doing so.
I'm just sitting here thinking what the actual fuck. The left is in no way or means extreme. They are all mostly centalists in my opinion. The neo liberal policies are not far off from what the right pushes for. Only a hand full of Democrats could be considered far left, and they really are not extreme. They are just left pushing ideas for things like Universal Health Care, you know, something the rest of the developed world already has... This is not extremism people.
Why do we keep hearing about the left moving further left? I just don't see it. I see more central / right movement since the 70's with neoliberalism.
yukbon
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This is a republican talking point and is frankly, insane. It can only make any sort of slight sense if you consider the hard, hard right shift the Republican party has done as "normal" and within bounds of what most of the party wants.
Or if you listen to Elon Musk, who says he's stayed exactly in the center, and shows the political spectrum with the right remaining fixed and the left exponentially moving to the left.
AnthonyI
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The problem is human nature. It's easier to stoke anger, fear and frustration and the right leans on this. The Left tries to be the "adults in the room", but sometimes, a lot of times, while they are the better "general/normal" option, they come off very cold and wisely. Yes, we have the standout, Katy Porter, AOC and so on, but they're overshadowed by those who just stay in their lane.
The left needs to grow a pair of balls, you can counter the right craziness with a little more fight, fury and a dose of their own medicine without going overboard, but again, they want to portray themselves as the "adults in the room", but times have changed, voters have changed and they aren't changing enough. They're still doing a better job for the people of this country, even though the people seem to overlook it.
Forget parties, and I'd still have to vote Democratic based on which group fits my ideals, wants and needs.
It amazes me how many people vote against their wants and needs "for their team" and what ever the hot button culturally charged issue angers them that day.
Jan
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For him it's axiomatic that he is the center of the universe so him saying so is no big surprise
Joe Mac
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The democrats are a centre right party. If he thinks they are on the far left then this guy isn’t far off being a fascist.
I totally agree, and especially when you compare to Europe.
However, in America, virtually all Republicans think the Democrats are far left. And many Democrats feel the party is to far left and abandoned them. They feel like democrats only care about cities and welfare and not their jobs, the economy and keeping prices and taxes down.
Joe Mac
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They have a point with that last part. The parties who traditionally represented the working classes haven’t for a long time now. The rust belt of America and the post industrial north of England haven’t been effectively represented in a generation. They’re angry and reactionary and that emotion isn’t irrational even if the people they’re looking to are. At this stage the false promises of lunatics are preferable to the ignorance of the likes of the democrats or labour etc. The current political mess may be being exploited by the right for their own gains but to place the blame of its existence entirely there is the left totally ignoring their own culpability.