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Harris effectively nullified my concern regarding the convention, illustrated in this sharp summary in the Washington Post:

“Within 48 hours, Ms. Harris had functionally cleared the Democratic field of every serious rival, clinched the support of more delegates than needed to secure the party nomination, raised more than $100 million and delivered a crisper message against former President Donald J. Trump than Mr. Biden had mustered in months.”

The effectiveness and efficiency of that 48 hour operation was truly impressive.
Clinched is kind of a misnomer though, because none of the delegates are bound to her no matter what they say until they cast their vote at the convention. It's not like it was for Biden, so if she has a big misstep they are still free to vote however they want up until the vote is taken and she clinches then. It certainly looks good publicly, but she still needs to maintain their support until the convention unless the DNC does a virtual role call to do it early
 
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It’s easier to maintain over bit over 100 days than it is 24 month or a decade (for Trump).

Honestly both parties would be wise to revisit their nominating process, 3 months is likely too short but 24 month (or longer) is waaaayyyy too long.
Unless they flat out ban anyone from campaigning, which I don't know how they could fully enforce (because you could get around it by just not announcing), it's mainly on the candidates and the political/media machinery than on the parties themselves. A lot of these bozos "campaign" to drum up support before they officially announce already. I think it would take federal reform rather than party nominating rules to really get the change we'd all like to see here. But it's such big business now that unless we ban money from politics it's pretty much a lost cause.
 
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There is literally no one else that can get any sort of consensus. She's it. It is done and just need to be formalized.
You can be as optimistic as you want to be, and sure that's a likely scenario, but it's not done until it's done. If she blows it all then there can easily be a contested convention. There are rules in place and she still has to follow them no matter what anyone thinks.
 
You can be as optimistic as you want to be, and sure that's a likely scenario, but it's not done until it's done. If she blows it all then there can easily be a contested convention. There are rules in place and she still has to follow them no matter what anyone thinks.
Agreed, it's not official until it's official. There can be a ton of fuckery between now and the convention. My gut tells me they are going to do the virtual roll call just to be on the safe side. (But, wtf do I know???)

I saw a tweet today that truly amused me (it was from a prominent account but I can't recall who it was)

They suggested that Harris nominate Biden as her VP. I don't think that's actually legal - you can only serve two terms as POTUS so I'd assume the same goes for VP. He's got two terms as VP and one as POTUS. Twitter is a hellhole, but it amuses the fuck out of me, and I can't quit it.
 
Agreed, it's not official until it's official. There can be a ton of fuckery between now and the convention. My gut tells me they are going to do the virtual roll call just to be on the safe side. (But, wtf do I know???)

I saw a tweet today that truly amused me (it was from a prominent account but I can't recall who it was)

They suggested that Harris nominate Biden as her VP. I don't think that's actually legal - you can only serve two terms as POTUS so I'd assume the same goes for VP. He's got two terms as VP and one as POTUS. Twitter is a hellhole, but it amuses the fuck out of me, and I can't quit it.
I haven't heard any fuckery about the virtual role call since Biden dropped out, and so far no one has even tried to challenge, but I imagine if that asshole Manchin does try anything that he'll attempt to scuttle the role call. Having left the Dems, I'm not sure he has enough sway anymore to get the DNC to care but I have read a few pissed off Biden donors who said they wouldn't support Harris but would support Manchin. Again I don't think there's even enough smoke for it to be a concern, but I wouldn't put anything past those snakes. And I honestly wouldn't put it past Harris to say something that gives some people pause and tempers their enthusiasm between now and then. She's riding a high right now because so many of us are glad Biden pulled out, but three weeks in politics is all it took for Biden to lose the support he'd carried for years and it's very unlikely that she'll carry on unscathed till the nomination, let alone the election.

Either way it's all gone very well for her so far and I haven't seen this much consolidation of support in the Dems since Obama. But Harris, despite being VP for four years, is still mostly unknown except by name. She needs to put out a platform and policy and do so quickly. That will be a big deciding factor in how much the enthusiasm carries and who, beyond the base, starts to get on board or work against. My fear as a voter is that she will try to wait until she has the nomination to do this, and that is why I dislike American politics so much. We should be able to know what we're voting for or against. Well, the latter is easy, but it sure would be nice to vote for something for a change. Her last platform was terrible, and I can't imagine she won't have better advisors this time and play to the youth a bit more. So I'm cautiously hopeful, but haven't seen anything substantive enough yet. And I've read from several who haven't endorsed her yet that this is what they are waiting on too.
 

Democrats Finalize Plan to Nominate Harris Before Convention​

(Bloomberg) -- A panel of Democratic stalwarts will meet Wednesday to complete a rule change to allow Vice President Kamala Harris to accept her party’s nomination for president weeks in advance of the party’s convention in Chicago.

The virtual roll call would take place the first week of August and formalize the result of a remarkable 32-hour blitz in which Harris won the support of a majority of delegates without a single challenger emerging.

 
Agreed, it's not official until it's official. There can be a ton of fuckery between now and the convention. My gut tells me they are going to do the virtual roll call just to be on the safe side. (But, wtf do I know???)

I saw a tweet today that truly amused me (it was from a prominent account but I can't recall who it was)

They suggested that Harris nominate Biden as her VP. I don't think that's actually legal - you can only serve two terms as POTUS so I'd assume the same goes for VP. He's got two terms as VP and one as POTUS. Twitter is a hellhole, but it amuses the fuck out of me, and I can't quit it.
The ammendment that governs term limits for president is only for the president. He could run. I don’t think it’s a smart move. I think Kelly is the best move.
 
The ammendment that governs term limits for president is only for the president. He could run. I don’t think it’s a smart move. I think Kelly is the best move.
As much as I like Kelly as a figurehead (a bad ass fighter pilot/astronaut you couldn't ask for a better back story), I like Shapiro a slight bit more mainly because of his oratory skills, he is a much better public speaker, he also ran ahead of both Trump and Biden in 2016 and 2020 respectively. in his PA elections for AG and Governor. I am really fine with any of the VP candidate's they're currently vetting but I would go Shapiro 1A and Kelly 1B as of fright now.
 
Constant standing ovations for this century's Hitler. Well done, folks! If Kamala doesn't distance herself explicitly and immediately from this, the youth will abandon her in droves again.

She already has and a lot of dems sat during the speech.
As i understand it, over 100 dems stayed away so a lot of the people there were just seat fillers like in award shows.

Also, salute to Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib for the "War criminal/Guilty Of Genocide" sign.

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I still can't wrap my head the mindset of conservatives.

Harris' campaign is running on "freedom" and saving our democracy that a second Trump presidency would continue to erode if not destroy.

Yet conservatives have the mind set that harris is the biggest threat to our democracy. And if she were president, we would have communist rule / authoritarian.

That couldn't be further than the truth. While Trump isn't a communist, he for sure would be authoritarian and the biggest threat to our democracy. It's like what he is, they accuse of other side of being.
 
California socialism. Two words that scare any conservative voter. It's an appeal to you need to get yours and make sure no takes what is yours. That's why I feel some immigrants who do well in this country turn into Trump voters. I got mine, let me pull up the ladder behind me so I don't lose what's mine.
 
I still can't wrap my head the mindset of conservatives.

Harris' campaign is running on "freedom" and saving our democracy that a second Trump presidency would continue to erode if not destroy.

Yet conservatives have the mind set that harris is the biggest threat to our democracy. And if she were president, we would have communist rule / authoritarian.

That couldn't be further than the truth. While Trump isn't a communist, he for sure would be authoritarian and the biggest threat to our democracy. It's like what he is, they accuse of other side of being.
They are pure projection nearly all the time (at least Trump sure is). And it's infuriating how their labeling of the Dems as communist has warped so many people's understanding of actual historical facts.

I had a 58 year old Black conservative veteran in my class last fall who refused to do some of the readings and wrote about how communism was ruining America (similar experience I had with another Black conservative man I had this summer). I told him in my feedback that it was fine of he believed that, but if he wanted to be successful in arguing his points he should read the material and use their words against them so that his argument would be stronger.

It doesn't usually work with younger students, but with non-traditional students it does more often. By the end of the semester he was writing how he didn't understand why people were so afraid to read this stuff and how most of it made sense even if he still thought it was a bad idea to try the ideas out in American politics. It was incredibly satisfying to see that he actually took my advice and started to do the readings and he was smart enough to realize that he couldn't keep saying the same thing because what he heard on Fox News didn't align with what he'd finally seen with his own eyes. It didn't make him give up on being a conservative (which wasn't my goal) but he at least applied his own reasoning and logical skills and grew as a thinker. It's exactly what so many conservatives fear. Education can liberate the mind from their bull shit. But many aren't even willing to try to learn for themselves, or flat out deny what they see and hear with their own senses. You can tell them it's raining blood and if you're on their side they'll believe you and if you're on the other side they'll say you're an idiot.
 
California socialism. Two words that scare any conservative voter. It's an appeal to you need to get yours and make sure no takes what is yours. That's why I feel some immigrants who do well in this country turn into Trump voters. I got mine, let me pull up the ladder behind me so I don't lose what's mine.
The California Dream is real and many are resentful for not being able to take part. As such they revel in anything that negatively impacts the state are reaffirms their idea that they are “lucky” not to be a part of the state. I think California had always been the land of opportunity but Manson was the beginning this type of resentment and it just grown from there.
 
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