Pre-Order Thread

Dead C said:
Kind of. Stop them? I don't know. Do I think they are necessary? Not really.

I don't believe that we need 30 different threads to discuss each and every Newberry variant. Meanwhile, TMR is a legitimate label which puts out new music, so I believe that the TMR Vault is a different beast and that, anything TMR Vault related should be able to be contained within a single thread, because you move forward from it quarter to quarter. I'm not a member of Sounds Delicious, but I'd imagine it's the same situation.


I just think that we should be honest about what the ROTM threads really were. They were clogged up fiascos mixed with everything and nothing. The argument that we need separate threads to maintain purity of discussion and avoid subjects bleeding over doesn't hold weight with me, based on the history and what has always defined them
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Yea the Vault and Third Man Records proper are two separate things that we manage to wrangle into a single thread that works.

We manage to talk about dozens of albums successfully in here, so why couldnt the dozen that come out a month from VMP be contained in a single thread?
 
Woob_woob said:
I don't think you should stop them from creating a thread, but I also think the community would ask you to combine it into its individual club thread.

Someone earlier said take a vote, and I honestly think that's the best idea. If the majority want a million VMP threads then I wont make (as much of) a stink about it
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Yeah I agree a vote is probably the best way to do it. I agree that I don't think having 5 separate threads is necessary but if people really want them I will just continue to participate in threads I want to and ignore the rest.

I hate the idea that VMP would be getting free advertisement from us having so many separate threads but honestly most of the conversation within them is pretty negative, our publicity definitely isn't the kind that would want atm.
 
Woob_woob said:
Yea the Vault and Third Man Records proper are two separate things that we manage to wrangle into a single thread that works.

We manage to talk about dozens of albums successfully in here, so why couldnt the dozen that come out a month from VMP be contained in a single thread?
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And if VMP was still doing a single ROTM with a single store day with 3 to 4 exclusives, it would probably be easier to keep it in a single thread. For all their atrocious business practices, VMP is also producing more albums than any other record club (likely the biggest factor in their issues, but that's a separate discussion), and it's unwieldy to track/discuss, especially since the side subs mean the selections are specialized.

Just as I did on the old forum, I stick to the threads I care about & ignore the ones I don't. There were topics there regarding artists I absolutely despise, and albums I wouldn't take for free, but I didn't click on them or expect anything of the people who were involved in them.
 
Mr Moore said:
I personally think both these arguments are relative non-issues being turned into bigger deals than they need be. Folks wanna have multiple VMP threads, let em have em, just don't read em. Folks wanna post links to VMP pre orders here, let em post em and If you don't wanna buy em, skip past em. We're all grown ups here, we can deal just fine with VMP talk buzzing in the background and it feels like one of those things that becomes more a talking point for the sake of it to be honest if we try and treat them differently to any other retailer. Just my tuppence.
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I'm fine with pre-orders for VMP releases being in here, since I will read them as I read any other pre order being placed in here and I frequent this thread more. Then if I want to talk about the album in more detail, I can head over to the thread dedicated to that track (read: NOT dedicated to that album).

VMP Tracks are a sub-club as far as I'm concerned. Maybe they could be grouped more appropriately in that manner. And I guess I don't have an issue with the VMP Store Exclusives thread either, considering that would be the equivalent of when we had a Newbury Exclusives thread (not sure if that made it over).
 
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She said early on that she’s going more Pop with this one which scared me off a little, as it seems she really found her sound with her excellent last album which I also bought on Loser Vinyl. However, hearing that David Wrench’s on production duties and Pop meaning in the vein of My Lover Cindy, I’m curious again to see how this turns out. Unfortunately that first track hasn’t really clicked with me yet. Holding off for now and hope the Loser Edition stays around until we get at least one other track.
 
Dead C said:
Kind of. Stop them? I don't know. Do I think they are necessary? Not really.

I don't believe that we need 30 different threads to discuss each and every Newberry variant. Meanwhile, TMR is a legitimate label which puts out new music, so I believe that the TMR Vault is a different beast and that, anything TMR Vault related should be able to be contained within a single thread, because you move forward from it quarter to quarter. I'm not a member of Sounds Delicious, but I'd imagine it's the same situation.


I just think that we should be honest about what the ROTM threads really were. They were clogged up fiascos mixed with everything and nothing. The argument that we need separate threads to maintain purity of discussion and avoid subjects bleeding over doesn't hold weight with me, based on the history and what has always defined them
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A lot of threads I don’t think are necessary tbh. But unless the subject is redundant I’ve been ok with just letting the community decide to interact with it or let it die.

As for the threads for the subs, some of those conversations get pretty active. Even when they get sidetracked, people enjoy them. But maybe a poll is the way to go. Discussing now.
 
Woob_woob said:
But this just isnt true. Newbury put out almost 20 exclusives this month, Fatbeats puts out a dozen or so a month and thats just 2 off the top of my head. Both live just fine in the preorder threads without dedicated threads let alone 6 dedicated threads
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Yeah. It's weird. People seem to believe that they are far larger and doing far more than they really are. We need a dedicated thread to discuss a single album each month(?). I'd rather err on the side of not regulating people, which is why I don't like telling people not to post links in here, but I am fascinated by that aspect of how we view them as such an entity that they've never lived up to.
 
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mcherry said:
A lot of threads I don’t think are necessary tbh. But unless the subject is redundant I’ve been ok with just letting the community decide to interact with it or let it die.

As for the threads for the subs, some of those conversations get pretty active. Even when they get sidetracked, people enjoy them. But maybe a poll is the way to go. Discussing now.
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Maybe you were right before, too. As long as we aren't telling people that they can't post a simple link in here, maybe we should give people over there a break for the time being, too. I don't like the forced segregation or any feeling of teams or opposition here. Maybe let them have their threads, for the moment, and wait a little while before raising that issue. By that point, you should really see how things pan out. I don't want VMP to swallow our forum, but I don't want people to feel like they are sequestered or in hiding, either. I'd like us all to be allowed to interact, but certain people, more than others, are also very defensive regarding VMP. I feel like I see that more than people attacking anyone for enjoying them. It was a fucked up break. I don't know if this situation and this vote is better to address now, or not. I honestly have no idea. Personally, I'm good with whatever everyone wants to do.
 
I feel like if the argument is we don't want to give VMP free pub because we dont want this space to basically just be an extension of the old forum with a half dozen threads of guessing and exclusives discussion, but also want to treat VMP like any other vinyl subscription service, then why dont we just take the high road and make one dedicated thread to their services where people can talk about them in whatever capacity they want, while also acknowledging that occasionally new pre-orders are going to pop up in the pre-order thread?

I feel like we also need to remember that whether or not someone choses to cancel their membership or not is their own personal choice. If someone wants to cop from them still then thats fine, they're/we are allowed to still be excited about stuff they put out while still acknowledging that they're a shit show of a company that makes more mistakes than they're worth. Like, I'm really ready for a post VMP collecting life, but I'm also pretty happy I could grab the new Curry while I'm still there and I'm really stoked for that Woods album I snagged, I also can't stand them, the two dont have to be mutually exclusive.

I get the wound is still very, very fresh, but the negative energy we're all going to keep burning trying to police where people talk about this company is going to be more headache than they're worth.
 
Woob_woob said:
But this just isnt true. Newbury put out almost 20 exclusives this month, Fatbeats puts out a dozen or so a month and thats just 2 off the top of my head. Both live just fine in the preorder threads without dedicated threads let alone 6 dedicated threads
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You're conflating pre-orders with the individual Club threads. I don't care about 99% of what Fatbeats offers, so maybe they are a record club/subscription service now; I can't respond to the substance of that. As for Newbury, I think the difference between what they do and VMPs various subscriptions is pretty obvious. More to the point, people actually want to discuss the VMP albums (or have before; this is all new so we'll see how it goes), but I never see anyone actually discuss what Newbury sells other than a pre-order link. I actually agree with the point that a single link in the Pre-order thread is fine for VMP Exclusives, but I think having a separate thread for them is smart, too. At the very least, as someone else alluded to, people are getting their frustrations with VMP out in those threads and it doesn't (shouldn't) spill over in to any non-VMP threads.

I'm one of the people who requested separate threads because I care about each Classics release, but rarely for RH&H or "Essentials", and discussions of each of those selections can go on for pages each. One look in the Anthology thread shows a huge amount of content over the last few days that needed to be separate for those who aren't a part of it. Again, we still don't know how this will all play out even a month from now. It may end up being best to lock down some of the threads and stick to one. For now, keeping them separate makes sense to those who care to discuss them. Everyone who doesn't want anything to do with VMP can ignore anything with that in the title.
 
roger said:
I feel like if the argument is we don't want to give VMP free pub because we dont want this space to basically just be an extension of the old forum with a half dozen threads of guessing and exclusives discussion, but also want to treat VMP like any other vinyl subscription service, then why dont we just take the high road and make one dedicated thread to their services where people can talk about them in whatever capacity they want, while also acknowledging that occasionally new pre-orders are going to pop up in the pre-order thread?

I feel like we also need to remember that whether or not someone choses to cancel their membership or not is their own personal choice. If someone wants to cop from them still then thats fine, they're/we are allowed to still be excited about stuff they put out while still acknowledging that they're a shit show of a company that makes more mistakes than they're worth. Like, I'm really ready for a post VMP collecting life, but I'm also pretty happy I could grab the new Curry while I'm still there and I'm really stoked for that Woods album I snagged, I also can't stand them, the two dont have to be mutually exclusive.

I get the wound is still very, very fresh, but the negative energy we're all going to keep burning trying to police where people talk about this company is going to be more headache than they're worth.
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Yup. Also, when you said Woods, I thought you meant the band Woods, for a minute. I actually just got a Woods album in the mail from them 2 minutes ago.

This also showed up today. Questionable mailer, but it's looking good. Haven't opened it, but I ordered the red.

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And this came yesterday. Brand new.

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Dead C said:
Yup. Also, when you said Woods, I thought you meant the band Woods, for a minute. I actually just got a Woods album in the mail from them 2 minutes ago.

This also showed up today. Questionable mailer, but it's looking good. Haven't opened it, but I ordered the red.

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And this came yesterday. Brand new.

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Major White Album envy here
 
eatdogs said:
Vinyl deals on reddit really likes to hit my wallet. Lots of posts came up today from one particular seller and the prices were amazing. I scooped up Temple of the Dog for 10 and Liquid Swords deluxe Marvel edition for 13. Both were off Amazon.
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DAMN! That's crazy. I would have grabbed that Liquid Swords had I seen it in time. I have an original, as well as a couple other formats, but it's one of my all time favorite albums
 
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