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I don’t really follow the clues that closely on a monthly basis but I’m hoping that maybe the number clues mean different things for the different tracks. Not sure how often that happens but hoping the 1 means first album
 
I don’t really follow the clues that closely on a monthly basis but I’m hoping that maybe the number clues mean different things for the different tracks. Not sure how often that happens but hoping the 1 means first album

It's possible that could be the case, but typically when Storf gives out clues for multiple tracks, they tend to be the same type of clue. So when he gave RHH the number "1" he gave Classics "7." We've since determined the "7" is the number of members in the band at the time of the album's release, therefore that would mean RHH is a solo artist.
 
I mean I just heard about the dude today and sharing what I’m learning. I’m not clutching my pearls about a stray word. I’m seeing lyrics like this:



“Shoulda know seh Capleton bun battyman
You should know that Capleton burns queers
“Dem same fire apply to di lesbian
The same fire applies to lesbians
“Seh mi bun everything from mi know seh dem gay
Say, I burn everything as long as I know that they’re gay
“All boogaman and sodemites fi get killed
All queers and sodomites should be killed”

That’s not the same as Mobb Deep or Eminem, to me. but whatever. If you all knew about this and are like “that’s what the dude sings” or don’t want to judge him or his culture or whatever, that’s fine with me. I’m not trying to organize a boycott. I just don’t like it so this album is a pass for me.

That’s out and out hate speech, and should be boycotted.
 
It's possible that could be the case, but typically when Storf gives out clues for multiple tracks, they tend to be the same type of clue. So when he gave RHH the number "1" he gave Classics "7." We've since determined the "7" is the number of members in the band at the time of the album's release, therefore that would mean RHH is a solo artist.
Someone pointed out on reddit that the 7 clue doesn't really fit with members in the band. It fits how many are pictured, but 8 members were in the band then, weren't they? At least according to the back of the jacket.

Larry Dodson - Vocals
Charles Allen - Trumpet
Harvey Henderson - Tenor
Winston Stewart - Keys/Synth
Lloyd Smith - Guitar
James Alexander - Bass
Michael Beard - Drums
Ralph MacDonald - Percussion

So maybe it has more to do with people pictured on the jacket?

Or maybe they are just not counting MacDonald since I don't see much mention of him with regard to the band, but he seems to have a full band credit on the sleeve.
 
Someone pointed out on reddit that the 7 clue doesn't really fit with members in the band. It fits how many are pictured, but 8 members were in the band then, weren't they? At least according to the back of the jacket.

Larry Dodson - Vocals
Charles Allen - Trumpet
Harvey Henderson - Tenor
Winston Stewart - Keys/Synth
Lloyd Smith - Guitar
James Alexander - Bass
Michael Beard - Drums
Ralph MacDonald - Percussion

So maybe it has more to do with people pictured on the jacket?

Or maybe they are just not counting MacDonald since I don't see much mention of him with regard to the band, but he seems to have a full band credit on the sleeve.
Found this in the write-up on the Concord website.

"Their “lost” period is now open for examination. Stax has just issued Money Talks, an album of previously unreleased sides cut in Memphis between 1973 and 1975 which prove to have been years ahead of their time, comparable to their current output and on a par with the work of today’s other funk super-groups.

Produced by their longtime manager Allen Jones, the album’s personnel—vocalist Larry Dodson, trumpeter Charles Allen, tenor saxophonist Harvey Henderson, keyboard player Winston Stewart, guitarist Lloyd Smith, bassist James Alexander, and drummer Michael Beard—is the same as today’s, except for trombonist Frank Thompson, second keyboard man Mark Bynum, and percussionist Sherman Gray who have since joined to make the Bar-Kays’ present lineup an even ten. Ace studio percussionist Ralph MacDonald also lent his deft touch to the sessions."

So maybe it is fair to not include him in the count. NEVERMIND!
 
Someone pointed out on reddit that the 7 clue doesn't really fit with members in the band. It fits how many are pictured, but 8 members were in the band then, weren't they? At least according to the back of the jacket.

Larry Dodson - Vocals
Charles Allen - Trumpet
Harvey Henderson - Tenor
Winston Stewart - Keys/Synth
Lloyd Smith - Guitar
James Alexander - Bass
Michael Beard - Drums
Ralph MacDonald - Percussion

So maybe it has more to do with people pictured on the jacket?

Or maybe they are just not counting MacDonald since I don't see much mention of him with regard to the band, but he seems to have a full band credit on the sleeve.

So if this was based on members appearing on the back, Grand Puba: 2000, E-40: In a Major Way, Fat Joe: Jealous Ones Envy, King Tee: IV Life, Nine - Nine Livez all fit. I'm too lazy to check on the sample and label clues though but they were mentioned on the reddit thread storf said it was guessed in.
 
I mean I just heard about the dude today and sharing what I’m learning. I’m not clutching my pearls about a stray word. I’m seeing lyrics like this:



“Shoulda know seh Capleton bun battyman
You should know that Capleton burns queers
“Dem same fire apply to di lesbian
The same fire applies to lesbians
“Seh mi bun everything from mi know seh dem gay
Say, I burn everything as long as I know that they’re gay
“All boogaman and sodemites fi get killed
All queers and sodomites should be killed”

That’s not the same as Mobb Deep or Eminem, to me. but whatever. If you all knew about this and are like “that’s what the dude sings” or don’t want to judge him or his culture or whatever, that’s fine with me. I’m not trying to organize a boycott. I just don’t like it so this album is a pass for me.

I'm definitely not justifying it and I'm far from condoning it, but, from my understanding, the song that is supppsed to contain those lyrics is not on this album. Those are from some some shitty low budget track he put out a decade later when things weren't looking as hot. The Doug E Fresh track is from his 95 release. If it's Capleton, VMP is not selling that song, but they would be selling a Doug E Fresh song with a homophobic slur on it. One is right on the album for people to hear and would be an issue. The other you'd have to dig to find out about. Will someone inevitably do that and retroactively find issue? Probably. You've done that. But did VMP look into and worry about it? That's 2 different questions.

I didn't even know about it, but you're looking at a wikipedia page. Was it a huge controversy at the time? Maybe. But in what circles?

So, my point wasn't to condone it and get upset with Doug E Fresh, instead, and it definitely wasn't to justify them both, but simply to view it through the lens of what would likely be disqualifying, so we can figure out what album it is. I don't think anyone here is blowing off lyrics like that, as if they aren't a huge issue. It is definitely a problem.

He did later denounce homophobia, though.


Should that matter? Maybe not. Killer Mike came out in recent years to denounce previous homophobia expressed in his lyrics and RTJ4 was just in the store.

I do wonder how much pushback VMP would get for a Clapton album, though. He's not only a major appropriater, but one with a horrifically racist rant in his past. And at the risk of making this a racial issue, they had zero problem with releasing Mayer's album this month. So, while I think that those Capleton lyrics look horrific and that an anti-homophobia pledge doesn't exactly remedy anything and exonerate him, I did just watch a number of white people defend a white man last month, because "his comments were from 10 years ago" and he is, supposedly, remorseful. I doubt we'll see the same "understanding" for a black man indoctrinated by a religion and culture to hold the archaic and reprehensible views that he presented. Might be something worth thinking about.


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Go ahead and clutch your pearls over a "stray word." I don't want to hear these slurs, myself. These are problems across the board. Then again, I think I have a Non Phixion album showing up in the mail today, so... . I don't think this is an easy thing to navigate, but you're definitely not wrong for seeing Capleton as problematic. That shit is crazy.
 
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I'm definitely not justifying it and I'm far from condoning it, but, from my understanding, the song that is supppsed to contain those lyrics is not on this album. Those are from some some shitty low budget track he put out a decade later when things weren't looking as hot. The Doug E Fresh track is from his 95 release. If it's Capleton, VMP is not selling that song, but they would be selling a Doug E Fresh song with a homophobic slur on it. One is right on the album for people to hear and would be an issue. The other you'd have to dig to find out about. Will someone inevitably do that and retroactively find issue? Probably. You've done that. But did VMP look into and worry about it? That's 2 different questions.

I didn't even know about it, but you're looking at a wikipedia page. Was it a huge controversy at the time? Maybe. But in what circles?

So, my point wasn't to condone it and get upset with Doug E Fresh, instead, and it definitely wasn't to justify them both, but simply to view it through the lens of what would likely be disqualifying, so we can figure out what album it is. I don't think anyone here is blowing off lyrics like that, as if they aren't a huge issue. It is definitely a problem.

He did later denounce homophobia, though.


Should that matter? Maybe not. Killer Mike came out in recent years to denounce previous homophobia expressed in his lyrics and RTJ4 was just in the store.

I do wonder how much pushback VMP would get for a Clapton album, though. He's not only a major appropriater, but one with a horrifically racist rant in his past. And at the risk of making this a racial issue, they had zero problem with releasing Mayer's album this month. So, while I think that those Capleton lyrics look horrific and that an anti-homophobia pledge doesn't exactly remedy anything and exonerate him, I did just watch a number of white people defend a white man last month, because "his comments were from 10 years ago" and he is, supposedly, remorseful. I doubt we'll see the same "understanding" for a black man indoctrinated by a religion and culture to hold the archaic and reprehensible views that he presented. Might be something worth thinking about.
You definitely make good points about the specific album, although I don't know all the lyrics so I'm not sure what's on this one.

But, just to add to that, that pledge was really only focused on not calling for violence against homosexuals, not to stop homophobia. Additionally, he didn't stop performing the songs that did call for or express violence after that pledge and has had several shows cancelled because of it. He is not remorseful about saying that he feels being gay is wrong.

I'm not trying to debate when people should be boycotted or not, just wanted to add that because I can understand why someone would want to do so and I don't think it is really a case of forgiving someone's past or not because he doesn't seem very regretful or apologetic.

I didn't really find out about all of this stuff until after I had gained an appreciation for Buju Banton, Capleton, and Sizzla and I had never noticed those specific references in their music that are offensive in that way. It is something that I still haven't decided how I want to deal with it. I don't have a problem still enjoying songs of theirs that don't have those types of lyrics, but I haven't really had to decide if I want to give them more money or not.
 
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