Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

I’m guessing because most members don’t really believe that they’re being treated like shit.
I really enjoy most of the classic, many of the RHH, and a lot of the Essentials. I buy the records I like and they mail them to my house. Sometimes they’re late. I survive. Sometimes they oversell a swap I get something else. Sometimes they even add a credit.Sometimes they get damaged or lost they replace or refund. I buy what I like and ignore what I don’t . I enjoy getting a package in the mail each month. It’s fun to guess what the next records might be, speculating the next record gets me discovering some new music I may may not know or revisit some albums I forgot about. Bonus I met some cool people on here that like the service too.
I think it's pretty hard to look at VMP and say they are a well-run company though. A lot of peoples' complaints are very justified. Late shipping is not a huge deal to me. It's more that I didn't know what was actually coming in the box every month. CS staff has been good to me, but it takes forever to get back to you and on more than one occasion, by the time they did get back to me, the item in question had either sold out or run out of replacement copies. We can list all the other things where the company falls flat for me, but at the end of the day, there are other companies I would rather support so I have cut back on the VMP purchases quite a lot. I'll still buy something here or there I'm sure (like if another When The Pawn type release comes out).
 
My opinion on the FOMO thing is based on how I feel about what I want from reissues.

There are two main methodologies with reissue companies and I find it hard to respect the FOMO model. I don't like manufactured scarcity. That's FOMO to me. I think it is indicative of a lack of faith in your product that you feel you have to make it scarce in order to increase FOMO to make people buy it that wouldn't have otherwise at your higher price point.

When it is a small independent artist, then I can believe that they need to do small presses and aren't just intentionally manufacturing scarcity. Although, I think with how much the FOMO model has taken off lately, it makes even them less likely to repress, which is another reason I dislike the popularity of that model

The other approach is make a product that is as good as you can make it and people will buy it slower, but steadier and trying to balance supply with demand. I respect that model much more and am sad that it seems to be becoming less popular. Glad at least Rhino is still doing it.
 
My opinion on the FOMO thing is based on how I feel about what I want from reissues.

There are two main methodologies with reissue companies and I find it hard to respect the FOMO model. I don't like manufactured scarcity. That's FOMO to me. I think it is indicative of a lack of faith in your product that you feel you have to make it scarce in order to increase FOMO to make people buy it that wouldn't have otherwise at your higher price point.

When it is a small independent artist, then I can believe that they need to do small presses and aren't just intentionally manufacturing scarcity. Although, I think with how much the FOMO model has taken off lately, it makes even them less likely to repress, which is another reason I dislike the popularity of that model

The other approach is make a product that is as good as you can make it and people will buy it slower, but steadier and trying to balance supply with demand. I respect that model much more and am sad that it seems to be becoming less popular. Glad at least Rhino is still doing it.
I meant to add, when a company, like VMP continually makes errors and mistakes about the actual facts behind the details and quality of their releases, it really stresses that they don't care about that aspect and that the FOMO model is more important to them than getting the quality and details right.

That's the opposite order of priorities that I like to see in companies I'm happy to support. I'm really glad that they seem to be focusing on quality of mastering and pressing plants more often, but the amount of mistakes they still make talking about them makes it seem like it was a marketing decision that they begrudgingly accepted as opposed to anything they are remotely passionate about making a priority.
 
My opinion on the FOMO thing is based on how I feel about what I want from reissues.

There are two main methodologies with reissue companies and I find it hard to respect the FOMO model. I don't like manufactured scarcity. That's FOMO to me. I think it is indicative of a lack of faith in your product that you feel you have to make is scarce in order to increase FOMO to make people buy it that wouldn't have otherwise.

When it is a small independent artist, then I can believe that they need to do small presses and aren't just intentionally manufacturing scarcity. Although, I think with how much the FOMO model has taken off lately, it makes them less likely to repress, which is another reason I dislike the popularity of that model

The other approach is make a product that is as good as you can make it and people will buy it slower, but steadier and trying to balance supply with demand. I respect that model much more and am sad that it seems to be becoming less popular. Glad at least Rhino is still doing it.
I overall agree with you. But to put it simply. there's a vinyl boom and companies are trying to maximize profits on that. Once companies saw that places like MoFi and Music Matters could get $50+ for an LP, other companies tried to follow suit, and a lot of those don't match the quality of MoFi or MM. And with the vinyl boom, it's simply more expensive to get records made. RSD has also shown how lucrative "limited" pressings can be, so false scarcity seems to be at an all time high. Combine all of those factors with how many different new labels, reissue labels, etc there are now, and you start getting tons of sketchy business practices. Phrases like "remastered from the original tapes" and other misleading phrases have been adopted by lots of major labels and reissue companies. Quality control is bad at a lot of places. You start to get 10+ variants of every new release slowdripped so people buy more than one copy. The FOMO tactic is widely used now, and not just from VMP.

Speaking of Rhino...I'm still trying to find the T. Rex Electric Warrior Rhino repress from Rocktober :(.
 
I don't know that laughing at anyone makes any of this any better...
I can’t help it. It’s funny to me. It’s literally the same price or less than every RHH, Classic, and Essential. It’s supposed to be this huge blockbuster album that is selling for the exact same price as Patrice Rushen , Da Brat and 6 dollars less than Beach House. What did people think it would cost .
 
I can’t help it. It’s funny to me. It’s literally the same price or less than every RHH, Classic, and Essential. It’s supposed to be this huge blockbuster album that is selling for the exact same price as Patrice Rushen , Da Brat and 6 dollars less than Beach House. What did people think it would cost .
Almost all other store exclusives that are 1LP are under $30. And FWIW, the other ROTM prices in the store are also highway robbery and people have complained about those prices...$34 for a 1LP and $40 for a 2LP is real pricey for most of those albums which is why most people who are members just wait for swaps. I think people expected a bit more than a 1LP pressed at GZ for nearly $50 for non-members. For example, Tidal was a 2xLP at 45RPM.
 
I can’t help it. It’s funny to me. It’s literally the same price or less than every RHH, Classic, and Essential. It’s supposed to be this huge blockbuster album that is selling for the exact same price as Patrice Rushen , Da Brat and 6 dollars less than Beach House. What did people think it would cost .
People will complain about anything. I think in this case, the grumbles about price are justified. I think people were looking for a "deluxe" package here... I don't know how they thought the actual sound would work, it's a digital master, not much you can do about that... But a single disc of black vinyl coming from GZ at that price can seem like a bit of a bummer. Like I said to VMP on FB yesterday, though:

"$40 for a single LP pressed at a plant known for its middling product, digital source, barebones packaging... I mean, I bought it, but that makes me a sucker."

It's suckers like me that let VMP know what they can get away with.
 
I overall agree with you. But to put it simply. there's a vinyl boom and companies are trying to maximize profits on that. Once companies saw that places like MoFi and Music Matters could get $50+ for an LP, other companies tried to follow suit, and a lot of those don't match the quality of MoFi or MM. And with the vinyl boom, it's simply more expensive to get records made. RSD has also shown how lucrative "limited" pressings can be, so false scarcity seems to be at an all time high. Combine all of those factors with how many different new labels, reissue labels, etc there are now, and you start getting tons of sketchy business practices. Phrases like "remastered from the original tapes" and other misleading phrases have been adopted by lots of major labels and reissue companies. Quality control is bad at a lot of places. You start to get 10+ variants of every new release slowdripped so people buy more than one copy. The FOMO tactic is widely used now, and not just from VMP.

Speaking of Rhino...I'm still trying to find the T. Rex Electric Warrior Rhino repress from Rocktober :(.
You're right, but I hate it. Just because some companies are ripping people off instead of trying to make what they need to stay in business doesn't mean everyone should. I definitely wasn't trying to lay the blame solely on VMP, just noting that I don't respect their priorities.

I like that MoFi is still kind of keeping their standard presses priced like they have been in the past and making their own ridiculous line separate. I wish they'd overlap though because they have been doing some better titles in that line and I'm not remotely considering buying any one steps.

I'm sad that Intervention had to stop and wish they had branched more into my wheelhouse.

I hope Rhino repress that, I don't know of another great press of theirs that went out of stock so soon.
 
I'm of the unpopular opinion that Record Store Day is what has precipitated FOMO and has been a net negative to the hobby (the only positive is foot traffic into locals, but even then it is sort of a 2 days a year bump). I agree with @MikeH that it has shown the way on how lucrative limited editions can be in terms of FOMO and demand leading to records with 20+limited variants, VMP and other's FOMO tactics, higher prices, and other misleading tactics. RSD has also overstretched pressing plants and led to a fair amount of the quality control issues out there because of schedules and demand cycles for plants using outdated equipment.
 
I will say for my part, I find the most distasteful part of VMP's method of hype to be how they imply an intersection of records with lifestyle, that if you don't like/want/buy a certain release, that you may not be the right kind of person. In early days their curation was about discovery and sharing exciting sounds with peers. At some point that veered into a little bit of condescending snobbery, and maybe that's just an inevitable trajectory for a service like this. I think some of you will disagree that that attitude is an ingredient in their business, and I don't think it permeates the whole thing, but there's an undercurrent of it in there. It's a subtle shift from "We love this and we think everybody who's into [genre] should be well-versed in this artist's work" to "If you don't like this artist or want this record then what are you even doing here?" but it's a distinct one.

I think that's why the Anthology announcement was such a turning point. It was really out of touch.

They addressed members who were having increasing issues with simply acquiring their products at the most base membership, by saying they had something that would cheer them up and excite them, while they worked that out. Then they dropped something that was well beyond a large percentage of their subscriber base's financial means, while explaining that they would be creating a more exclusive community around it to exclude them, and giving free copies to some condescending clown from outside the community who came into the forum to talk down to and insult us. That splintered the forum into haves lecturing have-nots about how they shouldn't complain about the price. Even then, VMP lied about an exclusivity window for members and released the Anthology to non members with an advanced link on the Billboard website. Then, right in that moment of low morale, opted to display an even greater level of hubris with signature anoraks.

I think lack of knowledge or memory of this history is what throws a lot of people over on reddit. You still had people who wouldn't or couldn't get the anthology, raising their hands to ask what was going on and if/how they were going to get their Nat Turner or Weyes Blood Records. The response from VMP wasn'tvto respond, but rather telling us they had a "different vision" for their community now and shutting us down while coldly ignoring pleas to, at minimum, allow us some time to alert others like those who might rely on the depression support thread, before it vanished on them. At that moment, on the heels of already pushing for the idea of a more exclusive Blue Note Anthology community intended for those with more money and status, the message was pretty clear. They'd also just substantially raised the prices on everything in the shop, over night, and recently tested pricing the monthly subscrption at $34 or so, before changing it back and, ultimately pulling it altogether. Then, immediately after the forum is gone, they announce that they don't actually have them, so they might just flip a coin to see which 50% of those who ordered, paid, and waited for their Weyes Blood records would actually receive them or not.

You're right about the distinct shift in message. The ideal customer is one that blindly trusts what you give to them and has bottomless pockets. "We'll teach you about jazz in an exclusive environment away from the poors."

At that point, you just kind of weigh how and if this company serves your needs as an individual and make your decisions based on that -- as we should with everything. Not that it matters, but I've always supported whichever choice someone made, because we all have different needs and reasoning. The company is a company, but we are.the community. They made that clear, so that's how I view them and why the only thing that really bothers me is trying to reframe that or hold them up in some high esteem over the members whose accounts they continue to twist up and bungle.

That being said, it's definitely a very different tone and company than it once was and that little jumbled up mess of events that brought us here is something that highlights that shift for me.

Records is records, but music and art should be accessible for everyone. I don't like anyone feeling left out or pushed out from that.
 
I'm not surprised at all that they have grown. I see their albums EVERYWHERE. My local record store, Academy Records, which is a pretty reputable store, has tons of 4MWB releases in their new release section. The thing is they press some good titles and sell them for cheap prices and most people don't know any better. They hit the demo of people starting out with vinyl who aren't dropping $2k+ on a setup. I bought a few 4MWB pressings early on since I didn't know any better.

As a parent, I should say that I'm not necessarily "surprised" at their growth, I'm just disappointed
 
People will complain about anything. I think in this case, the grumbles about price are justified. I think people were looking for a "deluxe" package here... I don't know how they thought the actual sound would work, it's a digital master, not much you can do about that... But a single disc of black vinyl coming from GZ at that price can seem like a bit of a bummer. Like I said to VMP on FB yesterday, though:

"$40 for a single LP pressed at a plant known for its middling product, digital source, barebones packaging... I mean, I bought it, but that makes me a sucker."

It's suckers like me that let VMP know what they can get away with.
I think we should wait and see on the package to see how bare bones it really is. From what I gathered they worked with Fionas team on the album cover. Hopefully it’s translucent and there’s a surprise underneath. It’s a little hard to believe they all got together and just said meh make it red with some me of the title in the middle.
 
I think we should wait and see on the package to see how bare bones it really is. From what I gathered they worked with Fionas team on the album cover. Hopefully it’s translucent and there’s a surprise underneath. It’s a little hard to believe they all got together and just said meh make it red with some me of the title in the middle.

Knowing VMP, I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they completely failed to promote a main selling point that would actually be to their benefit.
 
Well, seems that method doesn’t account for VMP just adding more at will 😂 💀

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