Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

at this point as they can't even replace the record and i'm sorta over giving them any more business.
this is exactly how I've been feeling the last couple of days. my subscription currently feels like it hangs in the balance of how they handle my situation. at one time I loved VMP, then they were just doing enough. but now it seems that they're doing everything to drive people away and simply don't care about the consequences of their actions.
 
this is exactly how I've been feeling the last couple of days. my subscription currently feels like it hangs in the balance of how they handle my situation. at one time I loved VMP, then they were just doing enough. but now it seems that they're doing everything to drive people away and simply don't care about the consequences of their actions.

I agree, I think when my sub ends after the next Jan, I will evaluate if they attempted to course correct if not I will probably drop them (I may cut back on some stuff if it is getting worse before then), however, I don't want a rough patch that gets corrected to stir me away yet
 
My Morby has also the click 'n pop between tracks. Then again, that's actually a minor issue compared to how warped it is. No replacements available anymore either. Like there weren't for Al Green or Big Thief. CS offered me to pick something from the store as a replacement as long as it was below 30 USD.

My boxes are usually between 3-8 records each month with about half of them warped. I'd appreciate enforcing a stricter return policy to get the limited replacements to the appropriate people but it would probably need to coincide with an improved QA on their side too.
 
To those following along, here's the text of my email to VMP CS and Matt, the CEO:

I am in receipt of your email and I, to be frank, am very disappointed in your response. Not in the outcome of my inquiry to customer service, but the passive-aggressive tone and the insinuations that I am taking advantage of VMP's customer service policy.

To set the facts straight, I have received just under 30 records from VMP in the last 45 days (my April and May shipments, and the Anthology). Many of those records have been without issue and some of them (i.e. Al Green's Call Me and the Anthology records) are among the best sounding in my collection. In fact, I have made a dedicated effort to complete my Classics collection due to the outstanding choices and quality of records. However, I have received numerous records from VMP that have had scratches, static, and notable warps - none of which are acceptable for brand new vinyl bought at a premium price point.

On all of those occasions I have emailed VMP's customer service and provided proof, by either video or photograph of the particular issue. If you would go back through my inquiries you would also see that I almost never requested a specific remedy, I wanted to bring it to CS's attention and go from there because some problems require differing responses. In fact, every record in my April box had some form of damage to it and I specifically requested to not receive replacements for any record that didn't otherwise have playability issues (which were three records that had scratches, static, or significant warps). When I have received replacements, I have usually given the damaged copies to friends - I have not resold any or tried to make a buck off of VMP's formerly stellar customer service. In all of my prior inquiries, customer service has been friendly and tried to make the issue right.

In reviewing your website, it appears that the customer service policy has changed (https://vinylmeplease.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011952891-Damaged-Return-Policy-) a few days ago. While I think the tone of the intro statement is unprofessional (satin-laced boxes, really?), that is certainly VMP's prerogative to change your policy. I am disappointed by the change, because one of the reasons I joined VMP was the stellar reputation of its customer service and the promise to make any issues right. I've noticed a lot of changes in VMP during the last month or two (pricing, ending the forums, CS, etc.), as a small business owner myself, I don't really want to second guess those decisions, because I don't know the company's financial and administrative positions, even if I don't necessarily agree that they are in the best interests of VMP from a customer standpoint.

However, what I will hold VMP to task for is poor customer service and attacking its customers personally. I've rarely had a representative of a company speak to me as rudely and dismissively as the message below as been and I've reacted the same way in all of those circumstances - by taking my business elsewhere. I have spoken to others who have indicated less than optimal interactions with customer service with VMP in the last week and believe it is important for the company to be aware of that.

I have several outstanding pre-orders/subscription with VMP and I am requesting that all of those preorders/remaining months of my subscription be cancelled and my credit card refunded. I have already cancelled my subscription on your website. I am disappointed to do so, because when VMP gets it right, it's a top-notch vinyl product, but I cannot tolerate a company that thinks it is okay for its representatives to attack its customers. Please let me know when I can expect to see the refunded amount on my credit card.
 
Seems obvious to me... price hikes, a new distribution model, reduction in pressing numbers, the end of monthly subs, a new cco, nuking the forums, a change in cs policy and overall tone of official messages. VMP is Dead, at least the club I joined and stanned for...
It's mindblowing just how much has changed in such a short time. VMP have ALWAYS had issues, and they've never been a perfect company. But even as recently as one year ago, VMP was ten times the company it is now. The past couple months have been a crash course in how to most severely screw over your most dedicated customers. I've seen a multitude of companies make a multitude of horrendous decisions over the year, but this is an entirely different beast: the rational part of me knows this isn't the case, but it feels like VMP are intentionally making every calculated decision possible to corrode their goodwill and their reputation. I mean, fuck, is there someone in charge over there that's intentionally trying to sabotage the company? I would not be shocked at ALL. It's one thing to make every decision possible to show that you're unsympathetic to your long-standing customers, but it feels so much more duplicitous to me - some of these decisions don't even read as "we don't care if this makes customers unhappy" so much as "we actively are trying to make our customers unhappy". It's insulting, and as naive as it is to think that this is all just because some big evil boss man came in to VMP and started demanding all these changes whilst sitting atop his ocean of gold coins and twirling his mustache, it really does feel THAT extreme
 
Hopefully, you don’t get Jason.
I've been dealing with Jason on my Morby issue and actually got a reply today where he apologized for my frustrations and have me $29 in credit, which was the cost of the record. it's not that it's not a nice gesture, especially after receiving the previous refund, it just didn't address any of the issues I raised in my email. I don't think I am going to cancel and demand a refund on the remainder of my sub (that ends with the July record), but I am 99% certain that I will cancel once this 3 month run is up in July.

here's my reply today if anyone's interested:

hey Jason. thanks for the credits I guess. unfortunately they do not explain why people who requested replacements for "Oh My God" two days after me already have replacements out in the mail and were wished a "Happy Spinnin'". it also doesn't address the obvious issue that affected a certain number of the VMP "Oh My God" albums, as even more people have stepped up reporting have the same problem, and that's just from my small amount of asking around on the new forum, which likely means there are many more with this issue.

these issues being handled properly are far more important to me than credits because it shows me a company that cares about the bigger picture, like VMP used to. it's pretty disappointing to see the way this whole thing played out, as it just seems to be another in the growing list of issues members have been dealing with lately that simply ruins the overall experience.

all that said, thank you for the response on the holiday weekend, though I personally wish you didn't have to work today.

I'm going to have to consider things going forward, as this issue and others I have seen affect others in recent months (and the decision to abruptly end the forum) have really left a bad taste in my mouth. please do understand all of my feelings on this are not personally directed to you at all as I know that your are not the one steering this ship, but I feel these things need to be communicated on my end.

anyway, thanks again for the reply and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Joe
 
I've been dealing with Jason on my Morby issue and actually got a reply today where he apologized for my frustrations and have me $29 in credit, which was the cost of the record. it's not that it's not a nice gesture, especially after receiving the previous refund, it just didn't address any of the issues I raised in my email. I don't think I am going to cancel and demand a refund on the remainder of my sub (that ends with the July record), but I am 99% certain that I will cancel once this 3 month run is up in July.

here's my reply today if anyone's interested:

hey Jason. thanks for the credits I guess. unfortunately they do not explain why people who requested replacements for "Oh My God" two days after me already have replacements out in the mail and were wished a "Happy Spinnin'". it also doesn't address the obvious issue that affected a certain number of the VMP "Oh My God" albums, as even more people have stepped up reporting have the same problem, and that's just from my small amount of asking around on the new forum, which likely means there are many more with this issue.

these issues being handled properly are far more important to me than credits because it shows me a company that cares about the bigger picture, like VMP used to. it's pretty disappointing to see the way this whole thing played out, as it just seems to be another in the growing list of issues members have been dealing with lately that simply ruins the overall experience.

all that said, thank you for the response on the holiday weekend, though I personally wish you didn't have to work today.

I'm going to have to consider things going forward, as this issue and others I have seen affect others in recent months (and the decision to abruptly end the forum) have really left a bad taste in my mouth. please do understand all of my feelings on this are not personally directed to you at all as I know that your are not the one steering this ship, but I feel these things need to be communicated on my end.

anyway, thanks again for the reply and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Joe
a very sensible reply
 
To those following along, here's the text of my email to VMP CS and Matt, the CEO:

I am in receipt of your email and I, to be frank, am very disappointed in your response. Not in the outcome of my inquiry to customer service, but the passive-aggressive tone and the insinuations that I am taking advantage of VMP's customer service policy.

To set the facts straight, I have received just under 30 records from VMP in the last 45 days (my April and May shipments, and the Anthology). Many of those records have been without issue and some of them (i.e. Al Green's Call Me and the Anthology records) are among the best sounding in my collection. In fact, I have made a dedicated effort to complete my Classics collection due to the outstanding choices and quality of records. However, I have received numerous records from VMP that have had scratches, static, and notable warps - none of which are acceptable for brand new vinyl bought at a premium price point.

On all of those occasions I have emailed VMP's customer service and provided proof, by either video or photograph of the particular issue. If you would go back through my inquiries you would also see that I almost never requested a specific remedy, I wanted to bring it to CS's attention and go from there because some problems require differing responses. In fact, every record in my April box had some form of damage to it and I specifically requested to not receive replacements for any record that didn't otherwise have playability issues (which were three records that had scratches, static, or significant warps). When I have received replacements, I have usually given the damaged copies to friends - I have not resold any or tried to make a buck off of VMP's formerly stellar customer service. In all of my prior inquiries, customer service has been friendly and tried to make the issue right.

In reviewing your website, it appears that the customer service policy has changed (https://vinylmeplease.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011952891-Damaged-Return-Policy-) a few days ago. While I think the tone of the intro statement is unprofessional (satin-laced boxes, really?), that is certainly VMP's prerogative to change your policy. I am disappointed by the change, because one of the reasons I joined VMP was the stellar reputation of its customer service and the promise to make any issues right. I've noticed a lot of changes in VMP during the last month or two (pricing, ending the forums, CS, etc.), as a small business owner myself, I don't really want to second guess those decisions, because I don't know the company's financial and administrative positions, even if I don't necessarily agree that they are in the best interests of VMP from a customer standpoint.

However, what I will hold VMP to task for is poor customer service and attacking its customers personally. I've rarely had a representative of a company speak to me as rudely and dismissively as the message below as been and I've reacted the same way in all of those circumstances - by taking my business elsewhere. I have spoken to others who have indicated less than optimal interactions with customer service with VMP in the last week and believe it is important for the company to be aware of that.

I have several outstanding pre-orders/subscription with VMP and I am requesting that all of those preorders/remaining months of my subscription be cancelled and my credit card refunded. I have already cancelled my subscription on your website. I am disappointed to do so, because when VMP gets it right, it's a top-notch vinyl product, but I cannot tolerate a company that thinks it is okay for its representatives to attack its customers. Please let me know when I can expect to see the refunded amount on my credit card.

👏👏👏
 
I've been dealing with Jason on my Morby issue and actually got a reply today where he apologized for my frustrations and have me $29 in credit, which was the cost of the record. it's not that it's not a nice gesture, especially after receiving the previous refund, it just didn't address any of the issues I raised in my email. I don't think I am going to cancel and demand a refund on the remainder of my sub (that ends with the July record), but I am 99% certain that I will cancel once this 3 month run is up in July.

here's my reply today if anyone's interested:

hey Jason. thanks for the credits I guess. unfortunately they do not explain why people who requested replacements for "Oh My God" two days after me already have replacements out in the mail and were wished a "Happy Spinnin'". it also doesn't address the obvious issue that affected a certain number of the VMP "Oh My God" albums, as even more people have stepped up reporting have the same problem, and that's just from my small amount of asking around on the new forum, which likely means there are many more with this issue.

these issues being handled properly are far more important to me than credits because it shows me a company that cares about the bigger picture, like VMP used to. it's pretty disappointing to see the way this whole thing played out, as it just seems to be another in the growing list of issues members have been dealing with lately that simply ruins the overall experience.

all that said, thank you for the response on the holiday weekend, though I personally wish you didn't have to work today.

I'm going to have to consider things going forward, as this issue and others I have seen affect others in recent months (and the decision to abruptly end the forum) have really left a bad taste in my mouth. please do understand all of my feelings on this are not personally directed to you at all as I know that your are not the one steering this ship, but I feel these things need to be communicated on my end.

anyway, thanks again for the reply and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Joe
Not surprised that I didn’t hear from him today.

Your response was very well measured.
 
It is a company’s right to change their terms and conditions. It is also my right to complain when I get substandard product repeatedly. Up your game product wise and you will not get requests for replacements. I just want one good copy of Veedon Fleece. Not four noisy static filled ones.

The response sent out was poorly thought out at best but I don’t think it came from a single operative and expect to see it return again. Much like ‘Keep spinnin’ this is someone reading the rule book, this is an agreed response passed down to CS. That or this company is in trouble and are trying to save nickels and dimes before it all collapses.
 
It is a company’s right to change their terms and conditions. It is also my right to complain when I get substandard product repeatedly. Up your game product wise and you will not get requests for replacements. I just want one good copy of Veedon Fleece. Not four noisy static filled ones.

The response sent out was poorly thought out at best but I don’t think it came from a single operative and expect to see it return again. Much like ‘Keep spinnin’ this is someone reading the rule book, this is an agreed response passed down to CS. That or this company is in trouble and are trying to save nickels and dimes before it all collapses.
Look if their books are a mess, than I certainly don’t blame them for tightening their CS practices. As a small business owner, I’ve had to make difficult decisions financially for long term benefits and that strikes me as an obvious one to make. I get it. But deliberately being antagonistic strikes me as a poor response. For the life of me, I don’t get the “drive away old and consistent spending customers” part of this unless they are pursuing not revenue but short term profitability (or lesssening losses) hoping to sell to a larger company or investors.
 
unless they are pursuing not revenue but short term profitability (or lesssening losses) hoping to sell to a larger company or investors
I think this is it. Of all the vinyl clubs that sprung up over the last couple of years, they are the only one not label specific that is still standing and still seems to be successful. They have a great monthly turn over of at least 20k "limited edition" records. I think they are trying to position themselves to be swallowed up by a larger company. Hell, a Universal could swallow them up, leave the name and the three streams and just mine their own catalogues and no one would be the wiser.
 
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