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Joe Mac said:
Werner is dangerous with his pace but he’s not a centre forward. If they continue to go 3-4-3 he’s an excellent option on the left in rotation with Pulisic who is brilliant but seemingly heavily injury prone. I think Tuchel has decided already that Abraham isn’t good enough, I’d be shocked if he wasn’t bombed out this summer. They really do need to be going for that X Factor A list striker and throwing all of Roman’s ill gotten gains at it, it’s what they’re crying out for.

With Spurs I think it’s easier to go on blaming Mourinho until the end of the season. He’s an easy scapegoat, albeit one that deserves it. Those central defenders and large chunks of that central midfield are sadly for you going to go on being a huge issue for your next manager. With a season and a third without matchday income on top of that stadium debt and Levy’s parsimony I can’t see there being tonnes of cash to solve it either. Do you sell your one big sellable asset to fund a rebuild? That would be a huge call. I’m also not that sure who from the A list is going to Spurs either.
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That’s true, Werner mostly played with Poulsen at Leipzig who is not that great of a CF. He’d work well with Giroud how Giroud and Mbappe worked well for France. Not sure why Chelsea don’t use that more often.

That’s a big, big question. Everyone can point to Liverpool how they sold Coutinho and rebuilt where they needed. But that rarely happens. The Bale money was spent on 7 players and only Lamela and Eriksen were worth it in the end. So that’s 5 flops. If the money spent on Kane going to City or wherever is spent well, maybe, maybe it’s worth it. I do not want to sell Kane because he’s by far our best player and there’s zero chance we’d be able to ever replace him. The deadwood we have is hard to shift. No one wants deadwood. And it’s not FIFA where you can just sell and buy whoever. We need another miracle manager who can shift some of the deadwood and turn Oliver Skipp into a POTY candidate if we stand a chance at top 4 next season.
 
wokeupnew said:
That’s true, Werner mostly played with Poulsen at Leipzig who is not that great of a CF. He’d work well with Giroud how Giroud and Mbappe worked well for France. Not sure why Chelsea don’t use that more often.

That’s a big, big question. Everyone can point to Liverpool how they sold Coutinho and rebuilt where they needed. But that rarely happens. The Bale money was spent on 7 players and only Lamela and Eriksen were worth it in the end. So that’s 5 flops. If the money spent on Kane going to City or wherever is spent well, maybe, maybe it’s worth it. I do not want to sell Kane because he’s by far our best player and there’s zero chance we’d be able to ever replace him. The deadwood we have is hard to shift. No one wants deadwood. And it’s not FIFA where you can just sell and buy whoever. We need another miracle manager who can shift some of the deadwood and turn Oliver Skipp into a POTY candidate if we stand a chance at top 4 next season.
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Totally. And Liverpool were on the verge of a title when Coutinho left. It meant that they weren’t rebuilding but rather able to target it on spending huge sums on Van Dijk and Allison as targeted investment in monsters in two key positions rather than a rebuild. Equally they failed miserably when they tried to spread the Suarez money across a full team rebuild in 2014.

I think that’s a lot of pressure to put on the shoulders of a young lads whose coming off the back of one impressive championship campaign. He has talent but he can’t be though of as that yet, has to be managed into the Premier League team. I tend to agree with you on Kane, although if he pushes do you force him to honour his contract? Whatever happens big investment is needed at centre half. Where you are right now I’d be looking at a reset and strengthening the foundations next year, top 4 would require two of three teams who are ahead of you in that processes having bad years which is an ask.
 
Joe Mac said:
Totally. And Liverpool were on the verge of a title when Coutinho left. It meant that they weren’t rebuilding but rather able to target it on spending huge sums on Van Dijk and Allison as targeted investment in monsters in two key positions rather than a rebuild. Equally they failed miserably when they tried to spread the Suarez money across a full team rebuild in 2014.

I think that’s a lot of pressure to put on the shoulders of a young lads whose coming off the back of one impressive championship campaign. He has talent but he can’t be though of as that yet, has to be managed into the Premier League team. I tend to agree with you on Kane, although if he pushes do you force him to honour his contract? Whatever happens big investment is needed at centre half. Where you are right now I’d be looking at a reset and strengthening the foundations next year, top 4 would require two of three teams who are ahead of you in that processes having bad years which is an ask.
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I was mostly not being serious about Skipp but he does have a lot of promise. My point being is that we need a completely unexpected result from someone like Skipp for us to stand a chance. Sessegnon coming back and scoring 10-15 goals, something like that.
 
wokeupnew said:
I was mostly not being serious about Skipp but he does have a lot of promise. My point being is that we need a completely unexpected result from someone like Skipp for us to stand a chance. Sessegnon coming back and scoring 10-15 goals, something like that.
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One thing that has surprised me from such a defensive manager. It’s clear to me that your two best full backs (Regulion and Doherty) are actually wing backs. And that your centre halves are weak. So why have you never really played a back 5 to try to compensate for that. In the 3-4-3 that’s in vogue right now you could even continue to fit the front three in. It’s even good for Sanchez who is the one centre half that you have that can defend because a player either side to being the ball out covers for the fact that he’s not very good at the footballing side.
 
Joe Mac said:
One thing that has surprised me from such a defensive manager. It’s clear to me that your two best full backs (Regulion and Doherty) are actually wing backs. And that your centre halves are weak. So why have you never really played a back 5 to try to compensate for that. In the 3-4-3 that’s in vogue right now you could even continue to fit the front three in. It’s even good for Sanchez who is the one centre half that you have that can defend because a player either side to being the ball out covers for the fact that he’s not very good at the footballing side.
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Did you see any highlights of the Everton game? We played 5 in the back but Dier was horrible and Sissoko was a ghost in the midfield. Maybe the formation would work better with better personnel.
 
I'm not happy with this Super League talk. I'm especially not happy that it's led both by Liverpool and their American owners. I hope they get shamed/threatened enough to back down. I don't pretend there's any form of fairness in the EPL but giving money clubs exclusive access to more money outside of what is already up for grabs each year by actual merit is a horrible idea. There's already enough that's killing the game with VAR, lack of supporters, and wealth consolidation.
 
mdmost said:
I'm not happy with this Super League talk. I'm especially not happy that it's led both by Liverpool and their American owners. I hope they get shamed/threatened enough to back down. I don't pretend there's any form of fairness in the EPL but giving money clubs exclusive access to more money outside of what is already up for grabs each year by actual merit is a horrible idea. There's already enough that's killing the game with VAR, lack of supporters, and wealth consolidation.
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I don’t think that I’ve ever been more angry at anything to do with football and it’s a particularly grimy business at the best of times. This super league proposal is an anti-competitive stitch up job. It’s anti-fans, anti-players, anti-tradition and is the antithesis of rewarding success. It’s greed greed greed.

The very minimum that should happen to Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool. Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs is the withholding of their entire share of TV and prize money which should be given out down the pyramid. I’d absolutely not be against huge points deductions for all 6 either. This shit cannot stand.

I agree with this article, these people clearly hate football

www.theguardian.com

Only someone who truly hates football can be behind a European super league | Jonathan Liew

The clubs behind the proposed tournament must find competitive sport offensive, all the way from the grassroots game to the World Cup
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What is worrying is that the FIFA gravy train is silent. If they ban clubs and players involved from all other official competition then this is stone dead. If their silence means that they are involved then it’s all fucked.
 
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Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, and Tottenham agree to join European Super League

UEFA and Premier League have blasted the plans and warned there will be bans for clubs and players who join the League; three La Liga and three Serie A clubs are also set to be part of the project along with the six Premier League teams; PM Boris Johnson has condemned the concept
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So it’s true. For me there needs to be a variety of things happen. City, Real and Chelsea need to be kicked out of this years champions league. Congratulations PSG. United and Arsenal should be thrown out of the Europa League and it’s a Roma v Vilareal final. All 15 founding clubs (that means there are 3 we don’t know yet) should be permanently banned from all European competition, even if there is a gap before this begins, unless they back down very sharpish.

The Premier League needs to strip all 6 clubs of their TV and prize money this year. I wouldn’t balk at measures from a points deduction now right up to kicking them out if they don’t back down. Any fines should be distributed to football charities and amongst national league, league 1 and 2 clubs.

Fucking Glazers, absolute bunch of ****s, destroying my club for 16 years now.
 
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Joe Mac said:
Oh completely. Each of the 15 founder teams is getting €3.5 billion up front just for being a founder. It is now all about money and greed, not sport or fans.
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I haven’t read much about the plans but who is putting up the cash for these clubs to join?
 
Joe Mac said:
JP Morgan are underwriting the venture and are expecting to make a profit from worldwide broadcasting sales.
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The CL and is bad enough as it is, this just a shameless power / cash grab. I know I will have zero interest in watching any of it.

Do you think this is just a threat as they begin to restructure the CL?
 
Skacel said:
The CL and is bad enough as it is, this just a shameless power / cash grab. I know I will have zero interest in watching any of it.

Do you think this is just a threat as they begin to restructure the CL?
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I had hoped so but the more it advances and the more that’s coming out of the journalists who are usually informed the more it seems like this is something that the largely American ownerships of most of the English clubs are determined to push through coming from closed shop competitions. They’ve long despised the mostly meritorious nature of the European sport, even after the last 30 years of finance distorting it.

Let’s face it, supporting a club in your local town city or even country isn’t of interest to that club anymore. The broadcast markets in America China and India are and they largely don’t care for history tradition and meritocracy, Untied v Madrid will sell to them even if there is nothing at stake.
 
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