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DownIsTheNewUp said:
There is also the feeling that Warren stayed in it to railroad Bernie (after already kneecapping him with the “women can’t win” comment. She is too smart to have not seen last nights results coming.
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Just anchoring to this comment.

If the "women can't win" comment really "kneecapped" the Sanders enthusiasm that badly then it was too tenuous to begin with.
Warren has no obligation to make things easier for Sanders or the progressive movement as a whole.

It's horrible to see people stating that Bernie under-performing is everyone else's fault but his own campaign. It's frustrating and it demonstrates a complete lack of perspective. You're in a competition and if you're trying to really upend the fundamentals of how this country works then you actually need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and acknowledge your own weakness because your competition is going to expose you if you don't. I'm pretty sure that's written in the art of war somewhere.

Re bank bailout:
Everyone got screwed by the recession Not just millenials, not just people under 45, everybody. Regular hard working people. People that worked their whole lives to retire simply. People that worked through graduate degrees who couldn't get jobs. People that had menial jobs and then lost them and had to take other lower paying menial jobs. The 99%.

American society is fully in bed with capitalism. We are propped up by it. We suckle at its teat. We define ourselves by it. We pledge our allegiance to it, and some people get to manipulate it for their own personal benefit. They fucked people over. Lots of people, and without the bailout everyone would've been fucked worse. Making hindsight arguments about well we should've just let it burn more and let the great depression 2.0 play itself out because it would be more moral to do so is foolish imo. It's just as foolish to suggest that people who are center-left candidates in Europe (sanders and warren) are suddenly going to upend all of that teat sucking in a term or two.

The Obama admin. was saddled with that situation and what was the first African American president supposed to do? "Hey! white majority! (who are already only tenuously voting for me) guess what? I'm going to let this get worse for you so that it can maybe get better later for your great grandchildren. And the weakest amongst us (who you don't give a shit about but say you do) will actually be on equal footing with you when it's all said and done. Thanks. Now about that affordable care act." Sorry that just doesn't play in the court of reality.

The bailout sucked. The recession sucked. It was wrong and it was still necessary so that more regular people didn't get hurt worse by something that wasn't their fault. I don't see how it's proving the point or need for social principles in America to keep blaming Obama for a situation that his admin did not create and had no control over.
 
Widget said:
The Problem with that video is how it just throws everything into one pot. Biden calling Chris Wallace, Chuck? Gaffe. Biden stumbling over a word, having to abandon the sentence and move on to the next thought? Stutter.
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I mean, everyone makes gaffes, so I don't agree with the tweet that it has anything to do with why Trump will win. I just didn't notice it focusing on stutter. You could argue they are all gaffes. Biden does seem to keep kind of losing his train of thought or saying confusing statements, I'm not sure if blaming his stutter really helps him come across better, even if it is always the cause.

Unfortunately Trump will probably be doing his best 3rd grade bully impression making fun of Biden's stutter himself, and his base won't care, which is really fucking sad. Still don't think that has anything to do with whether or not he should run though.
 
Is California the only state that has not been called yet from Super Tuesday? What's the hold up? Only 57% has reported so far.

While it appears Bernie will win California I have a feeling the Biden will be a close second splitting the delegates. Biden will probably get 2/3 the delegates that Bernie gets. It's not going to give Bernie what he needs to catch up.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Is California the only state that has not been called yet from Super Tuesday? What's the hold up? Only 57% has reported so far.

While it appears Bernie will win California I have a feeling the Biden will be a close second splitting the delegates. Biden will probably get 2/3 the delegates that Bernie gets. It's not going to give Bernie what he needs to catch up.
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CA is typically late. They are counting mail in ballots.
 
www.buzzfeednews.com

People Called A Black Woman–Owned Company “Racist” After A Target Ad. Its Sales Have Doubled, The Owner Said.

People vowed to stop buying the Honey Pot Company's products after they claimed it was "racist," but the company's sales have since doubled, its owner said.
www.buzzfeednews.com www.buzzfeednews.com

When Target released an ad in February celebrating a black woman–owned company that sells feminine hygiene products, it sparked a flood of negative and nasty online reviews that accused the company of being “racist” to white people.

“I can't support a company in good faith that is openly racist about their customers,” one review on Trustpilot, a customer review website, said.

“Black girls are empowered using this product... I guess whites girls aren’t. I’ll be letting Target know about this racist company,” another review said.


“If they really think that only black women should be empowered and white women should be left out then that's a huge step backward from the open and friendly society we tried to create over the last decades. I can't support a company in good faith that is openly racist about their customers.”
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Only in Trump's America.

Sighs, it sounds more like white privilege revolting and being racist about Black Women owning a company than Honey Pot being racist for "not giving white people equal opportunity".

I wonder if all these reviews on Target.com and Trustpilot would have happened if Trump wasn't president and the racist were still hiding in the dark corners of the web.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
www.buzzfeednews.com

People Called A Black Woman–Owned Company “Racist” After A Target Ad. Its Sales Have Doubled, The Owner Said.

People vowed to stop buying the Honey Pot Company's products after they claimed it was "racist," but the company's sales have since doubled, its owner said.
www.buzzfeednews.com www.buzzfeednews.com




Only in Trump's America.

Sighs, it sounds more like white privilege revolting and being racist about Black Women owning a company than Honey Pot being racist for "not giving white people equal opportunity".

I wonder if all these reviews on Target.com and Trustpilot would have happened if Trump wasn't president and the racist were still hiding in the dark corners of the web.
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Don't get me going.......................and I woke up in such a good mood today ;)
 
Indymisanthrope said:
We've previously had a conversation around how Bernie and his activists are cognizant of the fact that he will have to make compromises on his agenda if elected, because he won't have a cooperative legislative majority. Why is foreknowledge that Bernie will eventually bend on progressive ideals once he's in office not a problem when other candidates bending on progressive ideals to get into office, is?
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For me...he starts closer to where I want this country to be. Biden...not so much.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Yes, they would. This isn't a feature of Trumpism, it's a display of how to the privileged, equality can feel like oppression.
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I always depresses me when some white guy brings up the black unemployment statistic. Umm..unemployment for all demographics has dropped. It's more about the proportion to other demographic groups. Buy you know they would just ignore that logic and say, "you can say anything with statistics."
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Sure. Maybe I wasn't clear because of how much I quoted, but I was responding mostly to this part:
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Yea, I don't necessary see it as entirely advancing there careers. Sometimes you have to balance priorities. If I make this decision here I won't be able to make this change here. Which is why I really don't like to talk about these things in motives and would rather point to the effect of their decisions.
 
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Dtknuckles said:
I always depresses me when some white guy brings up the black unemployment statistic. Umm..unemployment for all demographics has dropped. It's more about the proportion to other demographic groups. Buy you know they would just ignore that logic and say, "you can say anything with statistics."
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aaaaand having a job doesn't mean you are gettng paid a living wage, able to get to that job easily from where you can afford to live, or that it automatically equates to some pathway to build equity. Having a job is survival. It's how you keep yourself off of the street, but it isn't necessarily something that gives you access to tailwind in America
 
Djxfactor511 said:
Looks like Warren is dropping out


www.nytimes.com

Elizabeth Warren, Once a Front-Runner, Drops Out of Presidential Race (Published 2020)

Ms. Warren, a senator and former law professor, staked her campaign on fighting corruption and changing the rules of the economy.
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From the article,
“Here’s my advice: Cast a vote that will make you proud,” Ms. Warren told voters on Super Tuesday, speaking in Detroit. “Cast a vote from your heart. Vote for the person you think will make the best president of the United States.”
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Let's see if she takes her own advice...
 
Teeeee said:
I knew this was coming. Dammit. Dammit. Dammit. This just deflated me (and probably lots of other women).
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My big Warren supporting friend sent me a message that he could literally flip a coin on who he votes for now because neither candidate appeals to him anymore. If he's anything like other Warren supporters, which I suspect he is, a lot of the enthusiasm in the race was, as you said Teeeee, just deflated.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
My big Warren supporting friend sent me a message that he could literally flip a coin on who he votes for now because neither candidate appeals to him anymore. If he's anything like other Warren supporters, which I suspect he is, a lot of the enthusiasm in the race was, as you said Teeeee, just deflated.
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I will still vote. I will still vote for the Dem nominee. It's too important not to. I just feel like I'm voting for getting back to status quo instead of voting for actual progress. I'm just sick of people that don't look like me, think like me, act like me, live like me, etc, making decisions that effect me.
 
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dhodo said:
Unfortunately Trump will probably be doing his best 3rd grade bully impression making fun of Biden's stutter himself, and his base won't care, which is really fucking sad. Still don't think that has anything to do with whether or not he should run though.
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I honestly have a feeling that this is going to be a big problem for Biden in the general, and I don't think this is just about a "stutter." Are we just supposed to not talk about dementia? I'm not trying to be mean or make fun of him but it's a legitimate concern to me. You can say things like "Well Trump seems to have dementia too!", which I agree with, but there is no winning side to that argument. You can say "Bernie is just as old!", but at least he doesn't seem as incoherent as Trump or Biden at this point. As a Bernie supporter, I also do not like how old he is. It sucks that the only options are old white men. Trump and the rest of the party are not going to hold back from talking about this and are going to bully Biden at every opportunity, including debates.

Watching anyone lose their mind (sorry if you find that wording offensive) is awful. I don't agree on much with Biden, and I really do not want to vote for him, but watching him get bullied for months over this is going to be awful. My grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 12 years before she died, and for the last 7ish years she could not remember who I was. During the early years she would forget where she was and would think she needed to go pick my father up from school. At times she would refer to me as my father when both of us were sitting right next to her. During the last few years she lost her ability to speak english, then spanish, and then anything other than babbling and laughing incoherently. Obviously Biden is nowhere near this point yet, but the way he talks and acts reminds me of the early years of her diagnosis.

Do other people legitimately not think this is what is happening with Biden? Or is it not a big enough problem for most to worry about? I am genuinely curious because I am worried that putting Biden on stage next to Trump is going to end up being disastrous. I will still vote for Biden if he is the nominee, but I doubt he can win.
 
Teeeee said:
I will still vote. I will still vote for the Dem nominee. It's too important not too. I just feel like I'm voting for getting back to status quo instead of voting for actual progress. I'm just sick of people that don't look like me, think like me, act like me, live like me, etc, making decisions that effect me.
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Oh yes, just to clarify he and I both are definitely voting for the dem candidate in November. He was more speaking about Ohio's dem primary coming up.
 
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