Political Discussion

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Question for the folks claiming Harris ran a good campaign. Outside of a couple promises involving housing, what did Kamala offer people?

Barring a few exceptions, there was no clear path forward laid out unless it involved America's Military. It was all about not being Trump.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Question for the folks claiming Harris ran a good campaign. Outside of a couple promises involving housing, what did Kamala offer people?

Normalcy. Competency. Kindness.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Well this certainly is disappointing.
I’m not sure what the democrats are going to do.
At the local level here in Nevada, the races are tight and it looks like presenting ID
for future voting is going to be required.
On a bright note, extra protection for abortion is also going to pass but it’s already enshrined in our state constitution.

 

[ayayrawn]

They should try not touting the world's most lethal military and coralling the Cheneys around, among other things. The shift to the right in policy obviously only made things worse.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Well that’s that then…

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Normalcy. Competency. Kindness.

Those aren't policies.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Those aren't policies.

Correct, those are traits and they are much more important or at least they are to me.

 

[Fleetwood-Matt]

Correct, they are much more important or at least they are to me.

The idea that this was an election decided on policy is wild. He had no policy position either other than tariffs and mass deportation

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

The idea that this was an election decided on policy is wild. He had no policy position either other than tariffs and mass deportation

Transphobia. Don’t forget the transphobia.

Scapegoating the most vulnerable amongst us was pretty much the only Trump position that I ever saw commercials for.

 

[Thackeraye]

Question for the folks claiming Harris ran a good campaign. Outside of a couple promises involving housing, what did Kamala offer people?

Barring a few exceptions, there was no clear path forward laid out unless it involved America's Military. It was all about not being Trump.

As someone outside of the US that site left of centre, this question blows my mind. What did she offer? The respect of institutions, the right of women to control their bodies, skepticism of dictators in Russia, China and elsewhere. So much more than this quick list.

Harris was an easy vote for any progressive based on what she wasn’t. Anyone that chose not to vote for her is a quisling in my book…

 

[MikeH]

As someone outside of the US that site left of centre, this question blows my mind. What did she offer? The respect of institutions, the right of women to control their bodies, skepticism of dictators in Russia, China and elsewhere. So much more than this quick list.

Harris was an easy vote for any progressive based on what she wasn’t. Anyone that chose not to vote for her is a quisling in my book…

Yea but she didn’t go on Joe Rogan’s podcast

 

[Yer Ol' Uncle D]

It was all about not being Trump.

If we didn't live in a country of voters who are so racist/brainwashed/cultish/selfish who care more about blaming they/them/this race/that religion for their station in life than what they have actually worked for and earned, it wouldn't be about Trump.

Of course they're gonna get behind the narcissistic, loud talking, snake oil selling, con man who is an economical genius who's file corporate and personal bankruptcy 12 times, who's been sued 3500 times, who's on record slagging veterans, women and minorities. He hasn't worked for or earned anything in his life. The other guy is the reason you aren't killing it. The traditional Republican message.

She smoked him in the only debate he'd agree to, even though he had 'the concepts of a plan'.

Every ad I saw from Kamala was about inclusion. Every ad I saw from Trump was they/them vs you.

If this were a decent country, not being Trump would be plenty to earn a winning vote.

No candidate is perfect. Nitpicking a candidate over a singular view/policy/demographic in favor of an unpredictable loose cannon is following the irresponsible path.

I'm not afraid for myself. I'm terrified of what this nut job could stack and enact that affects my children and grandchildren.

My daughter is 36 and pregnant - a high-risk pregnancy.

Her life could be decided by a supreme court stacked by the worst president in history.

 

[Thackeraye]

Mai

As someone outside of the US that site left of centre, this question blows my mind. What did she offer? The respect of institutions, the right of women to control their bodies, skepticism of dictators in Russia, China and elsewhere. So much more than this quick list.

Harris was an easy vote for any progressive based on what she wasn’t. Anyone that chose not to vote for her is a quisling

Yea but she didn’t go on Joe Rogan’s podcast

Any other circumstance I would have laugh emoji’s this…

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

As someone outside of the US that site left of centre, this question blows my mind. What did she offer? The respect of institutions, the right of women to control their bodies, skepticism of dictators in Russia, China and elsewhere. So much more than this quick list.

Harris was an easy vote for any progressive based on what she wasn’t. Anyone that chose not to vote for her is a quisling in my book…

I not only voted for her, I drove up to Wisconsin to campaign for her. And yet I don't think I could have told you what her vision for raising people's economic well being was outside of the housing stuff.

This election is an inditement on Americans inability to think critically as well as how broken our media system is.

But its also a reflection of how economically dour the situation is for most Americans. I make 20k more year than I did in 2016, but felt better off financially back then as far as being able to put $ in savings.

Housing, the ability to put money in savings, the ability to afford kids are all things slipping away unless you make over 100k a year.

Trump has weaponized that into fear and resentments. Yes, he has demonized the other, but he's also promising to tear institutions to the ground. That's terrifying to us but, of the few Trump supporter's I know, that IS the appeal unless it's a religion thing. People blame the system for the death of the middle class and want to see shit burn. Or stupidly think Biden is at fault for inflation while remembering Trump's term as the one time of economic improvement in their lives in nearly 20 years of inequality (even though that came on the back of Obama's work).

Of note, a forum for record collectors probably consists of people who sit pretty high on the economic bracket. We're also more likely to be educated, and thus, solid critical thinkers.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

If we didn't live in a country of voters who are so racist/brainwashed/cultish/selfish who care more about blaming they/them/this race/that religion for their station in life than what they have actually worked for and earned, it wouldn't be about Trump.

Of course they're gonna get behind the narcissistic, loud talking, snake oil selling, con man who is an economical genius who's file corporate and personal bankruptcy 12 times, who's been sued 3500 times, who's on record slagging veterans, women and minorities. He hasn't worked for or earned anything in his life. The other guy is the reason you aren't killing it. The traditional Republican message.

She smoked him in the only debate he'd agree to, even though he had 'the concepts of a plan'.

Every ad I saw from Kamala was about inclusion. Every ad I saw from Trump was they/them vs you.

If this were a decent country, not being Trump would be plenty to earn a winning vote.

No candidate is perfect. Nitpicking a candidate over a singular view/policy/demographic in favor of an unpredictable loose cannon is following the irresponsible path.

I'm not afraid for myself. I'm terrified of what this nut job could stack and enact that affects my children and grandchildren.

My daughter is 36 and pregnant - a high-risk pregnancy.

Her life could be decided by a supreme court stacked by the worst president in history.

We agree about almost all of this.

I see the rage as systematic to economic inequality and America's me, me, me mentality. + the ways in which the right has successfully waged war on critical thinking.

And what I resent is the Democrats (outside of Bernie's runs) unwillingness to acknowledge that things are economically broken.

As much as we can point to Trump's demonizing of the other, it doesn't work without his dark vision of America being a garbage can full if trash well past its expiration date having real grip.

Sorry about your daughter's pregnancy. I have a pre-existing condition + am have been in one of Obama's student debt plans since 11. I'm freaking out about the implications on both but trying to remind myself that at least I'm a straight, white male with no kids.

 

[MikeH]

The Dems problem seems to be that they still believe that more than half the country cares about anything other than themselves. This election never should have been even close.

 

[Jan]

Today is a day of despair for America. We are plunged into an anticipatory grief | Moira Donegan

I hope we can turn our attention to the most vulnerable among us: those who are less safe today than they were yesterday, says Guardian US columnist Moira Donegan

www.theguardian.com

There is plenty of blame to go around. But for the most part, this finger-pointing will be a distraction, a way of putting off the confrontation with what is coming. Instead, I hope that we can turn our attention to the most vulnerable among us: those Trump has antagonized and ridiculed, those who are less safe today than they hoped they might be yesterday. It is those targeted groups who need us, our solidarity and careful attention. In turning to them, we can keep alive in ourselves some small part of the America that Donald Trump seeks to destroy.

 

[Thackeraye]

I not only voted for her, I drove up to Wisconsin to campaign for her. And yet I don't think I could have told you what her vision for raising people's economic well being was outside of the housing stuff.

This election is an inditement on Americans inability to think critically as well as how broken our media system is.

But its also a reflection of how economically dour the situation is for most Americans. I make 20k more year than I did in 2016, but felt better off financially back then as far as being able to put $ in savings.

Housing, the ability to put money in savings, the ability to afford kids are all things slipping away unless you make over 100k a year.

Trump has weaponized that into fear and resentments. Yes, he has demonized the other, but he's also promising to tear institutions to the ground. That's terrifying to us but, of the few Trump supporter's I know, that IS the appeal unless it's a religion thing. People blame the system for the death of the middle class and want to see shit burn. Or stupidly think Biden is at fault for inflation while remembering Trump's term as the one time of economic improvement in their lives in nearly 20 years of inequality (even though that came on the back of Obama's work).

Of note, a forum for record collectors probably consists of people who sit pretty high on the economic bracket. We're also more likely to be educated, and thus, solid critical thinkers.

This is why I avoid this thread - didn't want you to think my comment was a direct dig, apologies if you did.

I get your argument, and in many ways similar arguments are being had here in Australia. I think I'm so used to voting to make sure someone (the Conservatives in the UK) doesn't get in that the concept of voting for someone you don't really believe in to make sure someone worse doesn't get in isn't an alien one. I think where I struggled was with the suggestion that people may not have voted at all on the basis that Harris wasn't a good Dem candidate, which I don't understand based on who the competition is.

 

[Joe Mac]

This is why I avoid this thread - didn't want you to think my comment was a direct dig, apologies if you did.

I get your argument, and in many ways similar arguments are being had here in Australia. I think I'm so used to voting to make sure someone (the Conservatives in the UK) doesn't get in that the concept of voting for someone you don't really believe in to make sure someone worse doesn't get in isn't an alien one. I think where I struggled was with the suggestion that people may not have voted at all on the basis that Harris wasn't a good Dem candidate, which I don't understand based on who the competition is.

The big problem was that she’s the third awful candidate that they’ve put up in a row, she’s so right wing in the context of normal politics, she just seems less so sat next to Trump. It’s almost like asking a labour voter to vote for the right of the Tory party to stop Farage getting in, it’s probably worth it but it’s a hard ask. The dems are 100% to blame for this, they tried to win by moving right, they needed to play to their progressives and give disenfranchised people an alternative that showed that they were even on their radar. That and her position on Gaza is gross. The fact that they’re losing the popular vote and not just the electoral college as well is mind blowing.