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Nee Lewman said:
Yeah, we have all spent stupid amounts of money on antiquated technology to do the same thing the little computer in our pocket can do for free.
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Not me. I kicked that habit when prices escalated past 30$ a record. Now that money goes towards over priced 4k's and trying to maintain my current collection of roughly 500 overly delicate, circular pieces of plastic. :ROFLMAO:
 
Joe Mac said:
I think it’s difficult to place Obama. He was likely a progressive on social issues but it’s very difficult to paint him as an economic progressive in any way shape or form. In fact I don’t really know what he stood for in many ways, it felt like he rode in on a wave and message of hope following a dark 7 years but that there maybe wasn’t a concrete backing as to what that hope was about beyond his personal charisma.
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He campaigned as a progressive (in many ways) then governed as a moderate.
 
Joe Mac said:
I think it’s difficult to place Obama. He was likely a progressive on social issues but it’s very difficult to paint him as an economic progressive in any way shape or form. In fact I don’t really know what he stood for in many ways, it felt like he rode in on a wave and message of hope following a dark 7 years but that there maybe wasn’t a concrete backing as to what that hope was about beyond his personal charisma.
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I think he was a pragmatic progressive. Left leaning but old school, it takes compromise to get anything done. Unfortunately that gets you painted with all kinds of pejoratives. He stilll inspires me, unlike Bill Clinton who I was all for when I voted for him the first time and who, along with the party, had me registering independent when I had to register to vote again. I will continue to not vote for any Republicans until they figure out a way out of MAGA land.
 
Nee Lewman said:
I’m fine other than existential guilt for bringing my two wonderful girls into… *** points around indiscriminately ***
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My son turns 3 in a month so I get it. Like I think I mentioned in a previous post the other day, it has been hard to stay afloat since 2022. Last year property taxes went up so bad I am now paying 200$ a month extra on my mortgage, coupled with daycare hikes, the skyrocketing of everyday essentials for a 2 going on 3 year old....including diapers (which we are 95% done with as of last week thank god), made it the worst year for my wife and I in the 8 years we've been together. No this is not a "we cant afford to buy a house now so we are mad at the economy situation" This is a we both work full time, (plus I just got made operations manager of my law firm i've been at for 8 years recently), just to barely get by. Yes I dont get paid as much as I should because as an OM. I am aware. I started with the firm when they opened with 12 employees....we just hit a growth phase so I am hopeful for next years review. but I am handcuffed by debt to make a big change. Handcuffed by interest rates for a CC I had to get to replace my AC unit March 2023.

I have all but stopped buying records. I get one a month now as a personal treat and IT IS NOT a $$$$$ Mach-Hommy vinyl lol. Reality is I have been selling some of my Hip Hop grails on discord to take care of unexpected shit.

The only saving grace was that we bought the house in 2017 when everything in that sector was at the bottom so the cost of the home was lower, but with the mortage increase it has caught up tenfold.

I am not saying that's why I voted his way, because I didn't but that is why I understand why people are upset with shit that is not Gaza, Ukraine, and other things that may not affect their month to month, because that is the hard reality for alot of folks.

And no, before more shots are thrown that I'm "upset cuz eggs and milk went up .50" or whatever the rhetoric was last night, thats isnt the case. I am also full of guilt because my wife and I had a long hard think about the future here before deciding to have a child. We got to a point that we were saying to each other we feel more guilty by being married with no kids for the rest of time. I hear ya man!
TenderLovingKiller® said:
I love everyone here. I also enjoy debating issues. I sincerely apologize if I have posted anything that you found belittling.

Everyone on here has at least a 6th grade education and we are all definitely morons.
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All good TLK i've never had an issue with you here. I am too one for a good debate and LMAO to the last part :ROFLMAO:
 
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Joe Mac said:
I will also say that in an era of disparity and where we have extreme poverty still existing within nations with enough wealth to end poverty and still have greedy billionaires people at the bottom being angry and irrational and voting for nonsense because the status quo doesn’t benefit them isn’t on them, it’s on the status quo.
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I get that. Even here, in a pretty decent echo chamber, they succeed well at pitting us against each other. We have to do better - all of us.
 
Nee Lewman said:
I get that. Even here, in a pretty decent echo chamber, they succeed well at pitting us against each other. We have to do better - all of us.
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I don’t think we are an echo chamber, not really. I think we’re almost all anti-fascist, it would appear, but I think there is a group of centrists and maybe 5 or 6 of us that veer left to differing degrees.
 
Joe Mac said:
I don’t think we are an echo chamber, not really. I think we’re almost all anti-fascist, it would appear, but I think there is a group of centrists and maybe 5 or 6 of us that veer left to differing degrees.
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I feel like a centrist only in the context of this thread. IRL most would consider me far left (though probably just shy of an actual Leftist). I have a pragmatic side that would never allow me to go fully idealistic.
 
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MikeH said:
I’d love for someone to take on the food industry and ultra processed foods. As someone with a kid with a sesame allergy, I now have to look at the ingredients in everything we buy and it’s wild how much shit is in everything we eat. I just don’t see RFK or Trump being the ones to prioritize that or try to make any of that happen.
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Yes this would be great, but we need to keep in mind there are people that subsist on this junk because they have no other option. We need a full strategy on feeding people that has more to do with getting people access to healthy food instead of a broad ban on certain foods. We need to explore our farm subsidy strategy and update it to match our current health recommendations. Thankfully, the cdc has moved away from the food pyramid and towards the “healthy plate” but our food subsidy system is stuck on the food pyramid.

This is not the same as the attack on soda because convenience stores already had the space for water. And soda is not forbidden in places, it’s just portion restricted. To bring healthier items to people who desperately need it—those that are malnourished not due to lack of calories but lack of nutritious calories—we would have to change a lot of infrastructure in convenience stores and fast food places.
Nee Lewman said:
Try having to deal with gluten! They put gluten in the weirdest fucking things. Did I tell you guys about the time I saw a bottle of Tamari that was just soy sauce?
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Omg, so I never get fast food because…waves arms…gluten. Well, the kids got junior frosty coupons so I say, why not? They have the new pineapple frosty and that looks tasty. Frosties are gluten free, right? WRONG. The pineapple stuff they add has gluten!!! I have been sick all week. It sucks.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Far enough, as American who has only participated in American politics that’s really the only gauge I am working off of.
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Yes it’s difficult because there isn’t what I’d recognise as a genuine left in American politics. It’s was always a broad church centre right (dem) and a right (rep) that for me has become right (dem) and far right (rep). No one seriously runs on any kind of wealth redistribution platform, even in its most modest forms.
 
Nee Lewman said:
i don’t really know what economic progressivism looks like. I believe there is more than enough wealth that no one should have to worry about normal illness, hunger, or shelter. I also don’t believe that capitalism is sustainable and creates evil.
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Like social progressivism it’s not always that easy to pinpoint and there are different mechanisms to achieve it but the goal is to prevent people being too rich and people being in absolute poverty by forms of wealth redistribution.
 
nolalady said:
Yes this would be great, but we need to keep in mind there are people that subsist on this junk because they have no other option. We need a full strategy on feeding people that has more to do with getting people access to healthy food instead of a broad ban on certain foods. We need to explore our farm subsidy strategy and update it to match our current health recommendations. Thankfully, the cdc has moved away from the food pyramid and towards the “healthy plate” but our food subsidy system is stuck on the food pyramid.

This is not the same as the attack on soda because convenience stores already had the space for water. And soda is not forbidden in places, it’s just portion restricted. To bring healthier items to people who desperately need it—those that are malnourished not due to lack of calories but lack of nutritious calories—we would have to change a lot of infrastructure in convenience stores and fast food places.

Omg, so I never get fast food because…waves arms…gluten. Well, the kids got junior frosty coupons so I say, why not? They have the new pineapple frosty and that looks tasty. Frosties are gluten free, right? WRONG. The pineapple stuff they add has gluten!!! I have been sick all week. It sucks.
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Or my wife’s family, there’s no wheat in the pie filling so just don’t eat the crust!
 
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