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Nee Lewman said:
yeah, this is one of the two faces policies in his platform. He’s going to remove taxes from overtime pay and then gut the regulations that cause it. But you know the actual overtime won’t be taxed?
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Yeah, he strongly believes we pay people too much. While he will say things like eliminate taxes on overtime pay to entice the working class, he also wants to reduce the thresholds for who is eligible for overtime. Thus more people may end up exempt and not eligible for overtime pay.

For example, he may adjust classifications on who businesses can classify as salary exempt so that fewer people fall into this.

I was part of a overtime class action lawsuit 10 years ago from when I was working in retail.

As a retail manager making 33k a year I was salary exempt. However, under MA law at the time, to be classified as a manager, I had to have the power to hire or fire someone. However, this power was not something I had, only HR had it. Therefor to be classified as salary exempt, I would need to have made over 45k at he time.

I ended up getting like 6k in the lawsuit where more than half of it went to the lawyers. yawn.
 
gaporter said:
And unfortunately, as someone who resides deep in Trump territory, I'm increasingly worried that the optimism that I see on here is going to turn out very similar to the 2016 election. The naivete in me would so deeply like to believe we are better than that, but if America willingly signs up for four more years of this shitshow, then it will sadly confirm my fears that he is an accurate representation of a not insignificant portion of this country and that makes me very sad to think about.
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I'm honestly impressed at the ability of anyone in this thread to have any kind of rational conversation about the state of things right now, because I just can't do it. I've spent the last few days feeling nothing but angry and broken. What's strange to me is that I saw it coming but I was still wholly unprepared for how sick I would feel when it actually happened. It's hard for me to even put it into words at the moment. I just feel so unsafe and betrayed by my country in a way that I didn't think I would.

This tweet basically sums up where I'm at and what this win represents to me. I understand and appreciate a lot of the points that have been made in this thread over the last couple of days but if I'm being honest it's hard for me to focus on anything other than the fact that the majority of Americans, when presented with the choice between supporting a rapist or a woman, will unequivocally choose the rapist. A harsh reminder that in a land ruled by rape culture and misogyny that victims are not to be valued or taken seriously.

The reality is that over the next four years anytime our "President" speaks it will be the words of a man who believes he's entitled to do whatever he wants to women's bodies, whether it be publicly through legislation or privately behind closed doors. And again - the majority of voters looked at the two options and felt that they could identify more with the rapist. That is a darkness that it is hard for me to reckon with and I don't know how to exist in a world that treats victims with such hostility while simultaneously rewarding their abusers. I wanted to believe we were better; instead I realize we are so much worse than I could have ever imagined.


Edit: The tweet I originally linked to was apparently deleted. This is what it said:
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Are any of you familiar with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)? Just read this disturbing article but I'm not familiar with this group within American evangelical movements. Will need to do some research but if they're as large as the author says then I thought maybe some of you all might have heard of them.
theconversation.com

New Apostolic Reformation evangelicals see Trump as God’s warrior in their battle to win America from satanic forces and Christianize it

Many followers of the New Apostolic Reformation − a Christian religious movement − claim they receive divine guidance in reconstructing modern society based on Christian spiritual beliefs.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
gaporter said:
I'm honestly impressed at the ability of anyone in this thread to have any kind of rational conversation about the state of things right now, because I just can't do it. I've spent the last few days feeling nothing but angry and broken. What's strange to me is that I saw it coming but I was still wholly unprepared for how sick I would feel when it actually happened. It's hard for me to even put it into words at the moment. I just feel so unsafe and betrayed by my country in a way that I didn't think I would.

This tweet basically sums up where I'm at and what this win represents to me. I understand and appreciate a lot of the points that have been made in this thread over the last couple of days but if I'm being honest it's hard for me to focus on anything other than the fact that the majority of Americans, when presented with the choice between supporting a rapist or a woman, will unequivocally choose the rapist. A harsh reminder that in a land ruled by rape culture and misogyny that victims are not to be valued or taken seriously.

The reality is that over the next four years anytime our "President" speaks it will be the words of a man who believes he's entitled to do whatever he wants to women's bodies, whether it be publicly through legislation or privately behind closed doors. And again - the majority of voters looked at the two options and felt that they could identify more with the rapist. That is a darkness that it is hard for me to reckon with and I don't know how to exist in a world that treats victims with such hostility while simultaneously rewarding their abusers. I wanted to believe we were better; instead I realize we are so much worse than I could have ever imagined.
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We need the "care" button.
Joe Mac said:
We’ll take anyone intelligent hard working and willing to pay their taxes…

Bonus points if you’ll meet Joe for pints!
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Joe you are in Ireland? I'm a Welsh / Scottish (probably a touch of Irish too) mutt that has been seriously considering trying to bolt to that part of the world but thought the immigration process would be too daunting. I already uprooted myself after 15 years in LA. I think I could do it again-- especially once my parents who are in their 70's are gone. The main question is how I would find work and what I would do to pay the bills.

Ironically, I just signed the contract on buying a condo here in Chicago. But I'm 37. Maybe I start working on laying the pathway towards getting out over the next 5 years and then bolt as soon as my parents are gone.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
We need the "care" button.


Joe you are in Ireland? I'm a Welsh / Scottish (probably a touch of Irish too) mutt that has been seriously considering trying to bolt to that part of the world but thought the immigration process would be too daunting. I already uprooted myself after 15 years in LA. I think I could do it again-- especially once my parents who are in their 70's are gone. The main question is how I would find work and what I would do to pay the bills.
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I am, I’m in Dublin. The major challenges here are that it’s a high cost of living economy with way too much concentrated centrally in Dublin. The cost of property is spiralling out of control for the same confluence of shit as the rest of the western world.

As for work there is nothing industrial, Ireland is a strange case in that it missed the Industrial Revolution being agrarian and poor until relatively recently and the suddenly accelerating into a highly educated country specialising in the tech field.

If yout in tech or a supporting industry you can get work, all the major social media and tech giants are headquartered here because of our low tax rate and compliant governments.

We are increasingly seeing the backlash against immigration and an open economy and the emergence of a type of far right but it’s still pretty ragged and ad hoc because we are in the grand scheme of things a few decades behind you all in that timeline.
 
Joe Mac said:
I am, I’m in Dublin. The major challenges here are that it’s a high cost of living economy with way too much concentrated centrally in Dublin. The cost of property is spiralling out of control for the same confluence of shit as the rest of the western world.

As for work there is nothing industrial, Ireland is a strange case in that it missed the Industrial Revolution being agrarian and poor until relatively recently and the suddenly accelerating into a highly educated country specialising in the tech field.

If yout in tech or a supporting industry you can get work, all the major social media and tech giants are headquartered here because of our low tax rate and compliant governments.

We are increasingly seeing the backlash against immigration and an open economy and the emergence of a type of far right but it’s still pretty ragged and ad hoc because we are in the grand scheme of things a few decades behind you all in that timeline.
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Noted. I am currently in sales (CPG, natural foods) which is part of why I feel trapped here. I was originally going to be a teacher (which might have made traversal easier), but graduated into the Great Recession when subs weren't even getting hired. Similarly, I contemplated shifting into tech sales when I was laid off at the beginning of the year, but it was an awful time to try and transition considering what that industry is going through.

I was raised by parents who emphasized placing a priority on enjoying your job over $ as long as that job enabled you to be middle class. Of course, nobody could have seen how quickly the middle class was about to die off at that time.
 
Hemotep said:
Are any of you familiar with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)? Just read this disturbing article but I'm not familiar with this group within American evangelical movements. Will need to do some research but if they're as large as the author says then I thought maybe some of you all might have heard of them.
theconversation.com

New Apostolic Reformation evangelicals see Trump as God’s warrior in their battle to win America from satanic forces and Christianize it

Many followers of the New Apostolic Reformation − a Christian religious movement − claim they receive divine guidance in reconstructing modern society based on Christian spiritual beliefs.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
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I’ve been reading quite a few things about them recently. They spent some time here campaignung for jackass. They are the worst kind of Christians.
 
gaporter said:
I'm honestly impressed at the ability of anyone in this thread to have any kind of rational conversation about the state of things right now, because I just can't do it. I've spent the last few days feeling nothing but angry and broken. What's strange to me is that I saw it coming but I was still wholly unprepared for how sick I would feel when it actually happened. It's hard for me to even put it into words at the moment. I just feel so unsafe and betrayed by my country in a way that I didn't think I would.

This tweet basically sums up where I'm at and what this win represents to me. I understand and appreciate a lot of the points that have been made in this thread over the last couple of days but if I'm being honest it's hard for me to focus on anything other than the fact that the majority of Americans, when presented with the choice between supporting a rapist or a woman, will unequivocally choose the rapist. A harsh reminder that in a land ruled by rape culture and misogyny that victims are not to be valued or taken seriously.

The reality is that over the next four years anytime our "President" speaks it will be the words of a man who believes he's entitled to do whatever he wants to women's bodies, whether it be publicly through legislation or privately behind closed doors. And again - the majority of voters looked at the two options and felt that they could identify more with the rapist. That is a darkness that it is hard for me to reckon with and I don't know how to exist in a world that treats victims with such hostility while simultaneously rewarding their abusers. I wanted to believe we were better; instead I realize we are so much worse than I could have ever imagined.
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So I know we aren’t in a totally blue/safe area, but we are in a better place than where you are. We have a spare bedroom and if you ever feel like you need to go quickly, you can always come our way. I am deeply worried about my LGBTQ friends in very red states.

Hemotep said:
Are any of you familiar with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)? Just read this disturbing article but I'm not familiar with this group within American evangelical movements. Will need to do some research but if they're as large as the author says then I thought maybe some of you all might have heard of them.
theconversation.com

New Apostolic Reformation evangelicals see Trump as God’s warrior in their battle to win America from satanic forces and Christianize it

Many followers of the New Apostolic Reformation − a Christian religious movement − claim they receive divine guidance in reconstructing modern society based on Christian spiritual beliefs.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
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If there is no choice, no free will, doesn’t this negate the evangelical thought that they are special because they choose to be Christian? If there is forced Christianity, then how is their choice a special pact with God as opposed to someone who is forced into religion? How is it “the narrow path” when you widen it with the equivalent of a spiritual bulldozer so that everyone is forced to walk it?
 
Nee Lewman said:
JFC:
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Yeah, This is the type of news I am trying to avoid. I have absolutely no control of any of this. Whatever happens or doesn’t I am not going to worry about it when I have to.

I will say at least Elon wasn’t a natural born citizen because at this point I am fairly certain if it were constitutionally viable he would be running for prez 2028.
 
ranbalam said:
A bunch of my workers are already excited about no taxes on their overtime pay
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This is DJT smoke and mirrors by the way. OT is not currently "taxed" for being OT. Its just like a bonus, it counts towards your total income. What's raising your taxes is your OT pushing you into a higher tax bracket at the end of the year. So unless he's going to overhaul how OT is calculated/separated from your annual income, good luck with that, tell your co-workers not to hold their breath.
 
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