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I'd be worried if it was 270 or just over...a couple faithless electors and it would go to the house.

306 seems like a safe EC. It's what Trump got and there were a handful for each side that brought his EC to 304.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
I'm wary of any suggestions that this election, or distrust in the electoral process, is going to drive lower Republican turnout in Georgia in January.

If anything, the fact that it's a special election in January will be the thing to keep low-information voters away. "Wait, didn't I just vote for this guy in November? I have to do it again? Why? Ehhhhh, maybe I'll get to it."

But I think you're also seeing that the right is going to paint this election as the only way to "save" the Senate, and there will be a big appetite to show up and defeat the Democratic machine from stealing two MORE spots. My prediction is for turnout along the lines of Doug Jones vs. Roy Moore. Moore was a spectacularly bad candidate, it was a special election, and it still took Herculean efforts to get Jones over the top by less than 2% of the vote. We underestimate how much money and rhetoric is going to flood Georgia over the next two months at our peril.
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Or the DNC’s ability to fuck it up.
 
Jan said:
The article above was posted her earlier this year and goes into more detail. As of now it would seem that trumps legal team did not do a good enough job to really carry out lawsuits that cast the results into doubt long enough and it would need a lot of involvement from state legislatures and executives in ,ore than one contested state. Given how not too many GOPs seem to come out openly supporting trumps claims that seems like an uphill battle. Even Mike Pence seems to be completly MIA.
Edit: In the moment we should be happy that it is very unlikely that the team that brought you four seasons total landscaping is able to pull off such a coordinated effort to subvert the election.
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This is the scary thing though...if a competent "Trump" comes along, a LOT has been learned in the past 4 years on how much they can get away with. There need to be major changes to the system to prevent this happen and I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
 
MikeH said:
a competent "Trump" comes along, a LOT has been learned in the past 4 years on how much they can get away with. There need to be major changes to the system to prevent this happen and I don't think that will happen anytime so
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a similar demagogue with an ounce of willingness to actually do some work and get into the dirty details of governing and would have something like a decent covid-19 response going would have probably cruised to victory. Thats the scary thing
Edit : Let´s not kid ourselves that his politics have overwhelmingly been voted out. He is also terribly bad at being president
 
Jan said:
a similar demagogue with an ounce of willingness to actually do some work and get into the dirty details of governing and would have something like a decent covid-19 response going would have probably cruised to victory. Thats the scary thing
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The only reason why Trump largely failed to enact a lot of policies came down to no lawyers being willing to work with him because of how he has stiffed lawyers his entire life. And a large number of the policies he tried to enact were shot down from the courts mostly because of technicalities and Trump tweeting stupid shit that contradicted their positions....not because the policies themselves were illegal or unconstitutional. Most competent lawyers want nothing to do with Trump, which is why he has Rudy Ghouliani out there spitting at cameras and sticking his hand down his pants. Also, largely, Trump just didn't give a shit and probably didn't even want to be president. But yes--it isn't too far-fetched to think that someone will come along who hires competent people and actually gets all of these policies enacted and holds onto power.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
As it stands, there are a lot of those people in government today, they just get diverted into the Senate because of some combination of popularity ceilings and a lack of term limits.
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Most of them are not particularly competent though luckily. There are lots of loopholes that could be worked around and as we have seen in this election, almost half of America doesn't care. Nobody cared that McConnell refuses to even have a vote on most legislation that would benefit a large majority of Americans. Their messaging is effective unlike the Democrats but a large majority of the Republican senators are not particularly smart.
 
So, some of Trump's base is verrrry confident this election will flip back to Trump.

What I can't figure out is; are they saying the presence of fake ballots is what put Biden over the top? Or is it that votes were changed from Trump to Biden during the counting?

My logical brain says don't worry. My worry brain says fuck, I'm still worried.
 
ranbalam said:
So, some of Trump's base is verrrry confident this election will flip back to Trump.

What I can't figure out is; are they saying the presence of fake ballots is what put Biden over the top? Or is it that votes were changed from Trump to Biden during the counting?

My logical brain says don't worry. My worry brain says fuck, I'm still worried.
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Nah it was the 40,000 dead people who voted for Biden that did it!
 
ranbalam said:
So, some of Trump's base is verrrry confident this election will flip back to Trump.

What I can't figure out is; are they saying the presence of fake ballots is what put Biden over the top? Or is it that votes were changed from Trump to Biden during the counting?

My logical brain says don't worry. My worry brain says fuck, I'm still worried.
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-they're delusional.

-there are no fake ballots. the "fake ballots" are mail in/provisional/absentee ballots. they are not fake, they are legitimate ballots and they count. No one in local state governments are saying there are fake ballots. All of Trump's attempts to undermine the election are failing instantly from courts.

-you do not need to worry.
 
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