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Lee Newman said:
Naw, he would have to make the EC process not clear somehow to get it to the house. The one thing I don’t get is why send it to the house if you are just gonna make it regional rule anyhow. Just send it to the senate.
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So if you truly want to game out worst case scenarios (though highly unlikely) give this Atlantic article a go. It is the best thing I read about all the different constitutional crises that could happen. A very good read...

www.theatlantic.com

The Election That Could Break America

If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
ayayrawn said:
I would be concerned if the election had come down to a single state and a few votes, but it's so decisive and inarguable at this point, there's 0% that anything he argues in court will change the outcome.
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Exactly this. They would not only have to get one state tossed out but at the very least two at this point and the ones with the shallowest vote differential occurred in GOP ran states AZ and GA and even if you managed to toss both of those you Biden would still be up because of the Midwestern blue wall states. This is all worst case scenario type stuff though. I would be surprised if any legal challenges make it up to the Supreme Court anyhow.
 
ranbalam said:
So, some of Trump's base is verrrry confident this election will flip back to Trump.

What I can't figure out is; are they saying the presence of fake ballots is what put Biden over the top? Or is it that votes were changed from Trump to Biden during the counting?

My logical brain says don't worry. My worry brain says fuck, I'm still worried.
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Most of them probably don't know either. They're just parroting what Trump and his allies are saying.
 
ranbalam said:
So, some of Trump's base is verrrry confident this election will flip back to Trump.

What I can't figure out is; are they saying the presence of fake ballots is what put Biden over the top? Or is it that votes were changed from Trump to Biden during the counting?

My logical brain says don't worry. My worry brain says fuck, I'm still worried.
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It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the different ridiculous theories that are out there, but so far these seem to be the main arguments...so the answer to your question is they believe both I think?
  • Trump secretly had DHS put a watermark on all of the real ballots before the election, so now they can tell which ballots were submitted that are fake. I'm not sure why Trump and DHS are waiting so long to prove this one, since it seems like it would be very easy.
  • Votes that were submitted for Trump were automatically changed to votes for Biden by the counting software that is being used. They are being changed because the software company is secretly working for Pelosi and the Clinton Foundation (the blame for this one switches depending on which QAnon conspiracy you subscribe to I think, but I've seen both).
  • There also seem to be a few different theories floating out there that election workers were physically changing ballots themselves, but these are mostly based on out of context videos shot at polling places as far as I can tell.
 
Pergo said:
It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the different ridiculous theories that are out there, but so far these seem to be the main arguments...so the answer to your question is they believe both I think?
  • Trump secretly had DHS put a watermark on all of the real ballots before the election, so now they can tell which ballots were submitted that are fake. I'm not sure why Trump and DHS are waiting so long to prove this one, since it seems like it would be very easy.
  • Votes that were submitted for Trump were automatically changed to votes for Biden by the counting software that is being used. They are being changed because the software company is secretly working for Pelosi and the Clinton Foundation (the blame for this one switches depending on which QAnon conspiracy you subscribe to I think, but I've seen both).
  • There also seem to be a few different theories floating out there that election workers were physically changing ballots themselves, but these are mostly based on out of context videos shot at polling places as far as I can tell.
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My suggestion is to not even try, and ignore them
 
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Pergo said:
It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the different ridiculous theories that are out there, but so far these seem to be the main arguments...so the answer to your question is they believe both I think?
  • Trump secretly had DHS put a watermark on all of the real ballots before the election, so now they can tell which ballots were submitted that are fake. I'm not sure why Trump and DHS are waiting so long to prove this one, since it seems like it would be very easy.
  • Votes that were submitted for Trump were automatically changed to votes for Biden by the counting software that is being used. They are being changed because the software company is secretly working for Pelosi and the Clinton Foundation (the blame for this one switches depending on which QAnon conspiracy you subscribe to I think, but I've seen both).
  • There also seem to be a few different theories floating out there that election workers were physically changing ballots themselves, but these are mostly based on out of context videos shot at polling places as far as I can tell.
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Biden's lead in PA grew to more than 55,000 (edit: noticed a big typo) 45,000 since yesterday. This is getting further and further outside recount territory. Also, this is now a bigger margin than Trump got in 2016.

Biden's lead in AZ has been oscillating, but the net effect is a drop to a little under 17,000. Most think Trump is not making up enough ground with each "dump" (hehe).

Biden's lead in NV is over 35,000 now. There was little doubt since it was known that the outstanding votes were coming from Las Vegas, but now it's not theoretical.

Biden's lead in GA is holding at 10,500. Nothing new here. I don't think there is much left out there to count.

All this to say, this is looking like 306 EC.
 
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Pergo said:
It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the different ridiculous theories that are out there, but so far these seem to be the main arguments...so the answer to your question is they believe both I think?
  • Trump secretly had DHS put a watermark on all of the real ballots before the election, so now they can tell which ballots were submitted that are fake. I'm not sure why Trump and DHS are waiting so long to prove this one, since it seems like it would be very easy.
  • Votes that were submitted for Trump were automatically changed to votes for Biden by the counting software that is being used. They are being changed because the software company is secretly working for Pelosi and the Clinton Foundation (the blame for this one switches depending on which QAnon conspiracy you subscribe to I think, but I've seen both).
  • There also seem to be a few different theories floating out there that election workers were physically changing ballots themselves, but these are mostly based on out of context videos shot at polling places as far as I can tell.
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There actually were some voting machines in I think GA that due to a glitch reported some Trump ballots as Biden in an unofficial tally but all of the votes were recorded correctly. I guess that got their simple little imaginations running wild.

Edit: it was Antrim county Michigan.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Senator Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski are the only two GOP members of the senate to have congratulated Biden on winning the election.

The rest have yet to comment.
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these fuckers are chucking your democracy in the garbage... it boggles the mind that there is any level of tolerance for this in a country that had so many wars against fascist and communist regimes.
 
Trump is steering the conversation. The legal options will peter out over the next few weeks results will be certified. As these markers occur more in the GOP will begrudgingly accept the results. It is gonna be frustrating but ultimately they will move on from the election and rally around obstructing Biden’s political agenda. The public will get more restless the further this all goes on. It’ll take a minute but it’ll happen.
 
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On one hand this is nuts but on the other hand Trump has really painted them in a corner, they need Trump’s base to come out and vote for them to have a shot at winning the special election. The biggest issue I see is if the SOS holds his ground (which, why wouldn’t he?), and would then also run the GA special election as well, if they are saying that the election is “rigged” and the same person is running it then why would the GOP even bother voting?
 
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