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Why? They have managed to pay off their student loans already and will get no benefit from the student loan forgiveness.
"My house is not on fire so I don't think you should go around putting out fires of other people's houses because I won't benefit"

And of course I love how he thinks he should get a refund for the interest he paid on his loans.

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By this logic baby boomers should have to pay more tuition so it's up to current market value, to be fair to everyone.

I just... don't have patience for people who think that way anymore.
 
"My house is not on fire so I don't think you should go around putting out fires of other people's houses because I won't benefit"



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By this logic baby boomers should have to pay more tuition so it's up to current market value, to be fair to everyone.

I just... don't have patience for people who think that way anymore.
What people need to do is stop using generational logic and focus on the hear and now. Boomer by a year, but I can't go into a car dealership and jump and scream that my dad paid $7000 for a new GTO back in 1967 and I'd like the same please :)

Lets concentrate on trying to pay people accordingly based on the cost of living that these geniuses forced through the roof over the years, it's completely out of wack.............but of course they give themselves raises every year just because.

We need to focus on the right problem and then some of this other shit will fall into place easier, just my 1 cent.............I'm a boomer so it cost me less ;)

College tuition, that's an entirely different mess.
 
"My house is not on fire so I don't think you should go around putting out fires of other people's houses because I won't benefit"



🙄

By this logic baby boomers should have to pay more tuition so it's up to current market value, to be fair to everyone.

I just... don't have patience for people who think that way anymore.

I need to stop reading through that Twitter thread. It is just pissing me off.

People feel like the majority of the people the forgiveness would benefit are looking for a handout to bail them out of their financial irresponsibility.

Beyond the point they make that you borrowed more money than you could afford to pay back. They are saying that now that you have the student loan debt you need to take responsibility. Work you ass off to make a decent income and make sacrifices. Live at home with your parents, don't go on vacations, don't buy that $4 Starbucks coffee every morning, quit drinking and smoking if you can't afford to pay your student loans. Take responsibility and take action. Don't look to the government for handouts.
 
I need to stop reading through that Twitter thread. It is just pissing me off.

People feel like the majority of the people the forgiveness would benefit are looking for a handout to bail them out of their financial irresponsibility.

Beyond the point they make that you borrowed more money than you could afford to pay back. They are saying that now that you have the student loan debt you need to take responsibility. Work you ass off to make a decent income and make sacrifices. Live at home with your parents, don't go on vacations, don't buy that $4 Starbucks coffee every morning, quit drinking and smoking if you can't afford to pay your student loans. Take responsibility and take action. Don't look to the government for handouts.
Again, because they look at it from a generational stand point. Here's the thing that a lot of people can't wrap their heads around, and I have 3 kids, one out of college, one graduating this year and one more to go.

When I was growing up college was a better sell, for the most part, if you really wanted to go, you could. And again, for the most part, if you graduated you got a decent job that could afford you a good life while paying off your loan. Fast forward, college does not have the leverage it had back then, plain and simple. Not only does your education cost you out the nose if you want to specialize in anything, but in a bas-ackwards way, you not only NOT better off, but you're swimming in debt right out of the gate.

My oldest graduated, got a job a week before graduation in his chosen field locally and we extended the offer to stay at home and save. My middle daughter who's graduating this year as a Landscape Architect has a job lined up in Florida, she got a partial scholarship and WE picked up the rest. For my oldest we were able to save for college, for her we couldn't, so we're doing what we can to give them all a fair shot..................but they're lucky and they know it. Most aren't and are basically thrown to the wolves and set up for failure.

I get the bent logic that "If I had to pay my way, so should you", but at what cost? We want strong young adults working in our country, to help grow it from within, but we hog tie them and then send the work overseas.

Sorry for the rant, again, while I am just barely a boomer I will never understand the typical boomer and or old fart politician logic.
 
I need to stop reading through that Twitter thread. It is just pissing me off.
I stopped paying as much attention to twitter when political things trend. It's usually Political Conservatives trying to drum up controversy about nothing. Like yesterday I saw "CNN and MSNBC" trend and it was conservatives tin foil hatting how they paid that "Antifa Protester" from the Insurrection for video that he took of someone dying during the riot. It's just not worth worrying/caring about what they have to say. It's all meaningless chatter. Twitter is good for somethings but an absolute dumpster fire for people wanting to make a mountain out of a molehill.
 
I stopped paying as much attention to twitter when things political things trend. It's usually Political Conservatives trying to drum up controversy about nothing. Like yesterday I saw "CNN and MSNBC" trend and it was conservatives tin foil hatting how they paid that "Antifa Protester" from the Insurrection for video that he took of someone dying during the riot. It's just not worth worrying/caring about what they have to say. It's all meaningless chatter. Twitter is good for somethings but an absolute dumpster fire for people wanting to make a mountain out of a molehill.
My only bit of political info and conversation has been relegated to here. I've dumped all my political "friends" on FB, cleaned all the political feeds off Youtube and I'm happier for it. 4 years of non-stop Trump cost a lot of us a lot of different things, unfortunately some family and friends, but aside from that, I can't take the 24-7 non stop negativity and nonsense anymore, it's not healthy.
 
Again, because they look at it from a generational stand point. Here's the thing that a lot of people can't wrap their heads around, and I have 3 kids, one out of college, one graduating this year and one more to go.

When I was growing up college was a better sell, for the most part, if you really wanted to go, you could. And again, for the most part, if you graduated you got a decent job that could afford you a good life while paying off your loan. Fast forward, college does not have the leverage it had back then, plain and simple. Not only does your education cost you out the nose if you want to specialize in anything, but in a bas-ackwards way, you not only NOT better off, but you're swimming in debt right out of the gate.

My oldest graduated, got a job a week before graduation in his chosen field locally and we extended the offer to stay at home and save. My middle daughter who's graduating this year as a Landscape Architect has a job lined up in Florida, she got a partial scholarship and WE picked up the rest. For my oldest we were able to save for college, for her we couldn't, so we're doing what we can to give them all a fair shot..................but they're lucky and they know it. Most aren't and are basically thrown to the wolves and set up for failure.

I get the bent logic that "If I had to pay my way, so should you", but at what cost? We want strong young adults working in our country, to help grow it from within, but we hog tie them and then send the work overseas.

Sorry for the rant, again, while I am just barely a boomer I will never understand the typical boomer and or old fart politician logic.

For the vast majority of people paying theirselves through college today, the quality of life is a lot less than it was for previous generations.

You think about boomers, in addition to being able to afford paying their way through school, they could easily afford a home, a car and live a nice live style with luxuries.

Most people today can't afford a mortgage who has a lot of student loan debt. A lot of people are living with their parents. Many people are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford luxuries or put money away in savings.
 
Todays MAGA craziness from my father:

You voted for Biden idiot. He's been corrupt his entire career. First thing the old pre Trump republican party and the democrats are one big corrupt uniparty. They are globalist, socialist, Nazi, communist, there is no real difference. Their goal is world domination. Heard of the great reset? All the build back better...crap. The UN 2030 project goal? The Trump MAGA movement is worldwide and it's goal is to restore the power back to the people. Just going to say, the game isn't over. There is still lots of weird shit happening suggesting that Biden isn't the current president as they claim. Its all just as illusion before shit breaks.

And, Biden, the democrats and the RINO Republicans stole the election from Trump. The actual votes were Trump close to 100 million and Biden less than 40 million.

Remember the Actual constitutional date to swear in the president is March 4th.

SCOTUS has five elections case before them Friday. If the act on the evidence presented it changes the Biden "win."
 
Todays MAGA craziness from my father:

You voted for Biden idiot. He's been corrupt his entire career. First thing the old pre Trump republican party and the democrats are one big corrupt uniparty. They are globalist, socialist, Nazi, communist, there is no real difference. Their goal is world domination. Heard of the great reset? All the build back better...crap. The UN 2030 project goal? The Trump MAGA movement is worldwide and it's goal is to restore the power back to the people. Just going to say, the game isn't over. There is still lots of weird shit happening suggesting that Biden isn't the current president as they claim. Its all just as illusion before shit breaks.

And, Biden, the democrats and the RINO Republicans stole the election from Trump. The actual votes were Trump close to 100 million and Biden less than 40 million.

Remember the Actual constitutional date to swear in the president is March 4th.

SCOTUS has five elections case before them Friday. If the act on the evidence presented it changes the Biden "win."
Sorry you have to deal with this delusional bullshit.

If you are up for more trolling, I would probably send him a video explaining constitutional amendments aimed at children since he clearly is not aware of the 20th.
 
I'd just cut my dad off if he was sending me crap like that every day. I think I've mentioned this before but I'm glad my father didn't live to see the Trump era because I know I'd have to make that choice if he had.

And the balls on this guy. By all accounts, he's a smart guy. So either he just made a poor decision or he knows it does not matter what he does, he'll still get the rubes in this state to vote for him over the evil libs.

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RE: the prevailing attitude towards student loan forgiveness and the bigger picture of not understanding how social benefits for one are effectively social benefits for all:

After having kids I finally truly grew up to the idea that our purpose here is not really about our experience so much as it is about preserving and enhancing the experience of those who follow us. I literally grew up in the wake created by my boomer parents. As adults and as stewards of our nation and its future our great obligation is to those who must live in our wakes. Our responsibility is to impress upon them their responsibility as a lineage and birthright.

These people who are saying they worked for theirs so fuck all else are just self entitled children with no real concept of a world outside their own or how making sure everyone in a society is properly accounted for is how you make sure you, too, are accounted for. The fallacious idea that you somehow made yourself is so rich in myopic, privileged, insular, aggrandizement that the only appropriate analogy is children in adult bodies.
 
I need to stop reading through that Twitter thread. It is just pissing me off.

People feel like the majority of the people the forgiveness would benefit are looking for a handout to bail them out of their financial irresponsibility.

Beyond the point they make that you borrowed more money than you could afford to pay back. They are saying that now that you have the student loan debt you need to take responsibility. Work you ass off to make a decent income and make sacrifices. Live at home with your parents, don't go on vacations, don't buy that $4 Starbucks coffee every morning, quit drinking and smoking if you can't afford to pay your student loans. Take responsibility and take action. Don't look to the government for handouts.
To be honest if you look at it from an equity standpoint, student loan debt relief mostly benefits certain demographics and most of the people who benefit are not in poverty. Ultimately though neither I nor my SO have any student loan debt remaining I support any debt relief in any form but just wiping out a portion of student debt is certainly not the most equitable based off the demographics of the people currently carrying student debt.
 
To be honest if you look at it from an equity standpoint, student loan debt relief mostly benefits certain demographics and most of the people who benefit are not in poverty. Ultimately though neither I nor my SO have any student loan debt remaining I support any debt relief in any form but just wiping out a portion of student debt is certainly not the most equitable based off the demographics of the people currently carrying student debt.
That's an interesting point about demographics. I, like has been mentioned here, also tend to frame my thoughts about the criticism that people shouldn't have gone to college if they couldn't afford it from the mindset that everyone in my generation was given the expectation that they would go to college and it was never an option. However, obviously that isn't true to everyone and plenty of people who went to my high school actually were given the opposite expectation from birth. I guess that is something I should keep in mind to check my privilege.
 
That's an interesting point about demographics. I, like has been mentioned here, also tend to frame my thoughts about the criticism that people shouldn't have gone to college if they couldn't afford it from the mindset that everyone in my generation was given the expectation that they would go to college and it was never an option. However, obviously that isn't true to everyone and plenty of people who went to my high school actually were given the opposite expectation from birth. I guess that is something I should keep in mind to check my privilege.
Yeah, a lot of debt carried by POC is not Student Loan based. Lots of people below the poverty line carry debt from Medical bills, credit cards/payday lending, legal fees and fines, etc... they would see very little if any direct benefit from student loan debt relief. Again any debt relief is ultimately good but targeting it narrowly to people carrying students loans now isn’t ideal. Also, I think if they passed student loan debt relief it should also be paired with policy that would eliminate future student loan debt a one time debt forgiveness is a band aid over a gaping wound. It’s better than nothing but not nearly enough.
 
For me, while I wouldn't say I'm in poverty. I'm close. I don't have a rainy day fund and if I lost my job or had to take a pay cut I would be in poverty.

To me the student debt relief will take the crippling weight of student loans away and improve the quality of life. I can't buy a house on my own because of my student loan debt. My credit score is heavily impacted and things like leasing a car cost me a lot more than someone with very good credit. I get screwed on interest rates on anything I can get approved for.

I very much feel like I will never be able to own my own home, and will be paying student loans into retirement. And can't afford basic luxuries like vacations or will be able to save up and accumulate wealth.
 
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