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Joe Mac said:
No Ireland is in the EU. We’re a separate jurisdiction to the U.K.

Northern Ireland is a part of the U.K. Because of the Good Friday agreement there are certain protocols in place that create an open border between the countries and bodies that deal with common areas (fisheries/environment/some rail & road infrastructure etc).

To close that border or put customs checks on it would risk inflaming tensions and creating targets. Therefore closing the border was a red line for Ireland and the EU in the negotiations.

Had Britain remained in the customs Union but left the EU that’s not a problem. Theresa May had a deal very close to that but to get a majority in parliament she got into bed with the DUP.

The DUP are the largest unionist party in the north. They grew out of free Presbyterian and are extremely hard right on religious and social issues are extremely anti-Dublin. They are also the only pro brexit party in the north. They sunk May’s deal on those lines betting on Boris’ promise of no border down the Irish Sea.

Boris isn’t someone you trust. He got a majority in the last election and didn’t need the DUP for the balance of that power. No customs border in Ireland was a EU red line. To get hard brexit across the line he sold out the DUP. He created a situation where NI is in the U.K. but unlike the rest of the Union in Britain it is still in the customs Union and so there is supply line and economic chaos in the north.

Reversing those protocols is the DUPs biggest goal (well alongside resisting the implementation of abortion as decreed by U.K. courts and trying to overturn a similar U.K. court ban on conversion therapy but we digress) right now.
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what.a.mess.
And of course no one has a timeline of how long any of this will take to straighten out. Meanwhile, are you able to get the things you need? Is it like here where we have some temporary shortages and reduced choice of products, but we have what is needed for people to survive?

Banking on a politician to keep his word is a really bad bet.
 
nolalady said:
what.a.mess.
And of course no one has a timeline of how long any of this will take to straighten out. Meanwhile, are you able to get the things you need? Is it like here where we have some temporary shortages and reduced choice of products, but we have what is needed for people to survive?

Banking on a politician to keep his word is a really bad bet.
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No we are fine down here our supply lines are still open. In fact we’ve been putting on extra ferries direct to France to avoid the backlogs at Dover. Long term the EU is going to have to support the diversification of our markets because Britain remains our largest customer but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Ireland was for a long time the poster boy for the transformative effect of the EU on small countries with weaker economies. We’re going to see how much that matter to the EU frugal four, they royally fucked us after the banking crisis in 2007/08.

The north is a mess though. Their supermarkets are British owned and the markets for a lot of the their produce is British.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
There is some questions right now as to whether the courts should grant Derek Chauvin a new trial over the murder of George Floyd.

His attorneys are for sure asking for one, and may republicans agree with the reasoning. That one of the jurors was not impartial. The juror was Brandon Mitchell, a blank man who has recently has had a photo of him wearing a BLM shirt surfaced on social media. Brandon Mitchell, the juror, does not remember owning or ever wearing the shirt.

I really hope that the trial stands and they don't grant him a new trial.
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I’ve been following this story and this juror has not only pretty much single handedly created grounds for a new trial, he’s also at a fair risk of facing a perjury charge.

He couldn’t have done any more damage if he had been hired by Chauvin’s legal team. Complete shit show.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I’ve been following this story and this juror has not only pretty much single handedly created grounds for a new trial, he’s also at a fair risk of facing a perjury charge.

He couldn’t have done any more damage if he had been hired by Chauvin’s legal team. Complete shit show.
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Is there more to it than what I heard today? I haven't been following it and heard of it for the first time this afternoon.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I’ve been following this story and this juror has not only pretty much single handedly created grounds for a new trial, he’s also at a fair risk of facing a perjury charge.

He couldn’t have done any more damage if he had been hired by Chauvin’s legal team. Complete shit show.
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Eh, it all sounds like pretty standard Defense Attorney tactics. This dude explains it pretty well.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I’m not a lawyer so I won’t say much other than he presents a pretty surface level summary to say it won’t happen. The other stuff I’ve watched dug into it a little deeper to present why it could go either way.
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I am not a lawyer either (thank gawd). Seems like there’s some of the Anti Anti-Chauvin folks on the Right are pushing this narrative as a talking point argument so their followers can claim that the fix was in the whole time . The Left hasn’t said too much about it and Legal Twitter seems pretty dismissive of the argument. But who knows, stranger things have happened.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
I am not a lawyer either (thank gawd). Seems like there’s some of the Anti Anti-Chauvin folks on the Right are pushing this narrative as a talking point argument so their followers can claim that the fix was in the whole time . The Left hasn’t said too much about it and Legal Twitter seems pretty dismissive of the argument. But who knows, stranger things have happened.
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Eh, I stay off of Twitter it’s a cesspool of the worst kind of people only possibly beat by Reddit for the crown of the worst of the worst.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Isn't 4chan and 9Gag worse? Never been on them so I wouldn't know, but I have heard some things about them.
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Those are trolls and edgelords doing and saying shit for laughs. They’re easy to ignore and corps and politicians don’t bend to their will.

The folks on Twitter and Reddit are for real and have the ear of the power structures. That’s waaaaaaaay worse.
 
Chucktshoes said:
Those are trolls and edgelords doing and saying shit for laughs. They’re easy to ignore and corps and politicians don’t bend to their will.

The folks on Twitter and Reddit are for real and have the ear of the power structures. That’s waaaaaaaay worse.
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I still find bookface to be the cradle of all evil. I find the others a bit easier to curate an experience away from the awfulness whereas bookface’s entire business model has been pushing that at you provoke rolling engagement. Also it appears to be the place that rubs it in your face hard that almost all humans that you’ve ever known or liked are horrendous.
 
Joe Mac said:
I still find bookface to be the cradle of all evil. I find the others a bit easier to curate an experience away from the awfulness whereas bookface’s entire business model has been pushing that at you provoke rolling engagement. Also it appears to be the place that rubs it in your face hard that almost all humans that you’ve ever known or liked are horrendous.
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When I rejoined Facebook this past year after several years away, I became very intentional about how I used it. I know I have to be very frustrating to the algorithm. I mostly use it for groups surrounding specific types of businesses. As far as my “friends“ list it’s only got people in it that I actually maintain personal relationships with. Just because I knew you in high school, or you’re my second cousin three times removed, isn’t a reason for you to be there. I don’t have any need or care what those people are doing with their lives or what they think about the latest outrage of the day.
 
Chucktshoes said:
When I rejoined Facebook this past year after several years away, I became very intentional about how I used it. I know I have to be very frustrating to the algorithm. I mostly use it for groups surrounding specific types of businesses. As far as my “friends“ list it’s only got people in it that I actually maintain personal relationships with. Just because I knew you in high school, or you’re my second cousin three times removed, isn’t a reason for you to be there. I don’t have any need or care what those people are doing with their lives or what they think about the latest outrage of the day.
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I kinda do that with Instagram, family and close friends and seeing photos. The emphasis on photos over comment helps too. After the meltdown that was 2016 I don’t think I could ever go back to using Facebook.
 
Chucktshoes said:
When I rejoined Facebook this past year after several years away, I became very intentional about how I used it. I know I have to be very frustrating to the algorithm. I mostly use it for groups surrounding specific types of businesses. As far as my “friends“ list it’s only got people in it that I actually maintain personal relationships with. Just because I knew you in high school, or you’re my second cousin three times removed, isn’t a reason for you to be there. I don’t have any need or care what those people are doing with their lives or what they think about the latest outrage of the day.
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I joined Facebook once about 8 years ago, after my Niece was born I literally deleted the account 5 minutes later. I was immediately bombarded with horrible “friend suggestions” and could just imagine who they were suggesting that I become friends with on the other side. Also, the hoops they made me jump through to actually delete my account as opposed to merely deactivating it was fucking ridiculous.
 
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Chucktshoes said:
When I rejoined Facebook this past year after several years away, I became very intentional about how I used it. I know I have to be very frustrating to the algorithm. I mostly use it for groups surrounding specific types of businesses. As far as my “friends“ list it’s only got people in it that I actually maintain personal relationships with. Just because I knew you in high school, or you’re my second cousin three times removed, isn’t a reason for you to be there. I don’t have any need or care what those people are doing with their lives or what they think about the latest outrage of the day.
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I'm trying to find that fine line with Facebook. This past year really made me realize the superficial relationships on Facebook aren't healthy. I remember my wife being upset that others were taking vacations when we weren't able to due to her not having a job and us not needing to spend frivolously. Then I also realized I as well was comparing us to others which isn't healthy. We've been going through a hard time with one of our kids due to the pandemic, online learning, and teendom. I was finding myself looking back at those memories Facebook serves up of happier times. The catch though is those weren't always happier times. It was just the highlights of happy times that we put out for others to see. I need to deal with the here and now and not worry about how thing used to be. I told my wife that after the school year is over, as I have school related responsibilities that I still use Facebook for, that I was going to either delete or suspend my Facebook account. I really don't enjoy the people content of it any longer. I really enjoy the curated content I have like news about my sports teams, hobbies like record collecting, and other things I'm generally interested in that don't involve seeing what other people I know are doing. I was thinking I might create a new account that has no friends and is just that content. I've already deleted Facebook off my phone.
 
www.cnn.com

Arizona audit funding cloaked in secrecy

Three weeks into the Arizona Senate's unorthodox audit of the 2020 presidential election results, one potential winner seems to be emerging, regardless of any count: Cyber Ninjas, the Florida-based consulting firm being paid to lead the analysis of the votes in populous Maricopa County.
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Wow, this is absolute craziness.
 
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