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NPR is reporting that it looks like there are enough votes to pass the a bill to protect abortion, but not enough to pass a filibuster.

Any attempt by the democrats to pass any type of legislation will fail without eliminating the filibuster.

Also, as expected, Republicans, Mitch McConnell included remain focuses on who leaked the SC opinion and the legality of the leak calling for a full investigation.
 
What I know about Estonia and Russia--Estonia broke from the USSR officially-after years of occupation--in1994. They joined NATO in 2004 and this really pissed Russia off. They had contested their border with Russia for years, finally signing a treaty in 2014 ceding most of what they were fighting for to Russia.

I don't know exactly what this means except that it is not good. If Estonia claims that Russia is occupying their land and they are part of NATO, this could get bad quickly.

 


Wow, this is embarrassing for the GOP. And that guy looks so smug.

Trying to condem Cuba and the authoritarian government in front of Democrats who fled Cuba.
 
Wow, just heard an explanation about a trigger law on the bucks in Missouri related to abortion that would go into effect is Roe were to be overturned.

Basically, if you conceive a child in the state the child is considered a resident of the state. So say if you live in Nevada, and vacationed in Missouri and conceived your child in a hotel room in Missouri and had an abortion, your unborn child is considered a resident of Missouri and protected by Missouri law. They have the power to extradite you back to the state and charge you with the abortion.

If you are a family member who a pregnant women spoke to, even if you are from a different state, from a non profit, an internet provider that provided information about abortion, you could be held account able under law as accessory to abortion.

All I have to say is wow, wtf and I'm at a loss to words.
 
Wow, just heard an explanation about a trigger law on the bucks in Missouri related to abortion that would go into effect is Roe were to be overturned.

Basically, if you conceive a child in the state the child is considered a resident of the state. So say if you live in Nevada, and vacationed in Missouri and conceived your child in a hotel room in Missouri and had an abortion, your unborn child is considered a resident of Missouri and protected by Missouri law. They have the power to extradite you back to the state and charge you with the abortion.

If you are a family member who a pregnant women spoke to, even if you are from a different state, from a non profit, an internet provider that provided information about abortion, you could be held account able under law as accessory to abortion.

All I have to say is wow, wtf and I'm at a loss to words.


States can’t control your behavior in other states. It will get overturned.
 
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Wow, this is embarrassing for the GOP. And that guy looks so smug.

Trying to condem Cuba and the authoritarian government in front of Democrats who fled Cuba.

Eh, there's subtext that I'm not sure you're getting, if you're not Cuban or Floridian. Viz: Cubans that left, i.e. have had direct experiences with communism in Cuba, are overwhelmingly republican and treat every Democratic party use of government as the return of socialism, a spectre at the feast, come now to ruin lives again.*

Anyway. Rick Scott is pandering and showboating for the Hispanic vote in FL. He gives no shits how he sounds or what he looks like**, this is 100% fan service for everyone who lives in Florida and has a PTSD-induced hate-on for everything that doesn't immediately condemn communism or Castro specifically as pure evil.

*this is slightly different for 2nd gen, ie born of Cubans but in the US or here from a very, very early age (like, 3 and under), who tend to skew slightly more liberal.

** no, really, Governor Voldemort did so much shady stuff and just gives 0 fucks. Like when he passed a law mandating drug testing for any state benefits recipients and it turned out that oops he owned stock in the largest drug testing company in the state. That was owned by his wife. So he gave his wife all his shares in the company.
 
I have heard a lot of talk about how the current SCOTUS appears to ignore the existence of the 9th Amendment. Even Biden said as much in a press conference earlier this week.

The 9th amendment protects the privacy of private citizens. It played a big part in the original Roe ruling, as well as other land mark rulings for civil-rights in the 1960's.

Virginia had a law outlawing interracial marriages and Connecticut had a law against the use of contraceptives. The court ruled that the laws violated citizens 9th amendment rights to privacy in their marital lives.

If you ignore the 9th amendment, and follow the letter of the law to the T of the rest of the constitution, when a federal law does not exists and the law is not about freedom of speech or guns, the states have total authority to dictate their own laws. And the court says it can't have an opinion about said laws, only confirm that they are legally binding.

This history and background of the 9th amendment

The Federalists contended that a bill of rights was unnecessary. They responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that, inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights, it would be dangerous to list some and thereby lend support to the argument that government was unrestrained as to those rights not listed.1 Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives. “It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.” 2 It is clear from its text and from Madison’s statement that the Amendment states but a rule of construction, making clear that a Bill of Rights might not by implication be taken to increase the powers of the national government in areas not enumerated, and that it does not contain within itself any guarantee of a right or a proscription of an infringement.3

Footnotes1The Federalist No. 84 (Alexander Hamilton) (Modern Library ed., 1937). back21 Annals of Congress 439 (1789). Earlier, Madison had written to Jefferson: “My own opinion has always been in favor of a bill of rights; provided it be so framed as not to imply powers not meant to be included in the enumeration. . . . I have not viewed it in an important light—1. because I conceive that in a certain degree . . . the rights in question are reserved by the manner in which the federal powers are granted. 2. because there is great reason to fear that a positive declaration of some of the most essential rights could not be obtained in the requisite latitude. I am sure that the rights of conscience in particular, if submitted to public definition would be narrowed much more than they are likely ever to be by an assumed power.” 5 Writings of James Madison, 271–72 (G. Hunt ed., 1904). See also 3 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States 1898 (1833). back3To some extent, the Ninth and Tenth Amendments overlap with respect to the question of unenumerated powers, one of the two concerns expressed by Madison, more clearly in his letter to Jefferson but also in his introductory speech. back

So it appears the 9th Amendment rarely came up in the SCOTUS before the Madison vs Connecticut. The 9th amendment was what was used to overturn laws against abortion, contraception and interracial marriage.

To me it sounds like the law its too vague, intentionally so, and now that are flipping the reason for why it was vague, to protect rights not listed to saying it doesn't apply.

CNN had an opinion piece yesterday that stated based on this leaked draft opinion, the same opinion could be used to overturn both the other laws I mentioned. Meaning states could have the power to ban contraception or interracial marriages.

I'm not sure why they didn't mention same sex marriages, did we end up passing something through congress that protects that right? I can't recall of the top of my head.
 
Obergefel v. Hodges

Yes, but did congress ever ultimately pass something that protects that right. Like what the potential bill to protect the right of abortion would accomplish if they pass it making the SCOTUS opinion null and void?

Or is this ruling at risk as well and just isn't be talked about at the moment.
 
Yes, but did congress ever ultimately pass something that protects that right. Like what the potential bill to protect the right of abortion would accomplish if they pass it making the SCOTUS opinion null and void?

Or is this ruling at risk as well and just isn't be talked about at the moment.

There's no actual law enshrining it, but it is legalized in some states and thus

"The Supreme Court's ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges ended all inter-state legal complications surrounding same-sex marriage, as it orders states to both perform the marriages of same-sex couples and to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples performed in other states."
 
I am 100% convinced that the leak was by a Democrat to try to sway 2022 midterm voting.

Right now there's a bill going through Louisiana that makes abortion a criminal offence for the mother, not just the doctor--which is what the current law will revert to if RvW is overturned. We will go immediately to abortion being outlawed and doctors being prosecuted. I really, really hope we don't prosecute moms as well. This is so wrong and will result in deaths in poor, young women. We'll go back to back alley coat hanger abortions.

I think I'm most mad at the parade of democrat senators that didn't codify RvW when they had the chance.
 
I am 100% convinced that the leak was by a Democrat to try to sway 2022 midterm voting.
I think the theory that it was leaked by the right to distract from ginny Thomas' testimony and to galvanize the decision ("no take-backsies!").
I think I'm most mad at the parade of democrat senators that didn't codify RvW when they had the chance.
This one is Obama. He had majority everywhere. He could have pushed Obamacare. Roe v wade. Education, all that bullshit.
 

The 9th amendment is about protecting rights not listed in the constitution. Federalists didn’t want a list of rights in the constitution because it could result in any right not listed not being rights. They wanted the bill of rights intentionally vague to protect rights of individuals that they didn’t think to spell out in the constitution. The draft opinion from the SCOTUS states said “Substantive due process has at time been a treacherous field for this court” in context to recognizing rights that are not mentioned in the constitution. The conservatives believe if the right is not listed in the constitution the authority should be entrusted to the people’s elected representatives and not the court.

Also, the language vilifying people getting abortions as murders in the opinion is horrifying.
 
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Susan Collins to oppose Democrats bill to protect the right to abortions should it come to the senate floor in the coming weeks.

This is why she says she opposes it.

“It supersedes all other federal and state laws, including the conscience protections that are in the Affordable Care Act,” said Collins. She added, “It doesn’t protect the right of a Catholic hospital to not perform abortions. That right has been enshrined in law for a long time.”
 
Susan Collins to oppose Democrats bill to protect the right to abortions should it come to the senate floor in the coming weeks.

This is why she says she opposes it.

“It supersedes all other federal and state laws, including the conscience protections that are in the Affordable Care Act,” said Collins. She added, “It doesn’t protect the right of a Catholic hospital to not perform abortions. That right has been enshrined in law for a long time.”
The irony of a woman serving in Congress working to repeal women's rights that left in that direction long enough results in women unable to serve in Congress.
 
Susan Collins to oppose Democrats bill to protect the right to abortions should it come to the senate floor in the coming weeks.

This is why she says she opposes it.

“It supersedes all other federal and state laws, including the conscience protections that are in the Affordable Care Act,” said Collins. She added, “It doesn’t protect the right of a Catholic hospital to not perform abortions. That right has been enshrined in law for a long time.”

As I understand it, the proposed law would just be an enabling law and basically states that laws can’t infringe upon the rights of facilities and medical professionals to perform abortions, not that they must perform them.

So there’s no need for the extra protection she’s talking about. Sounds like Collins is yet again counting on being able to wiggle her way out of this situation with some straw man bullshit.
 
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