Political Discussion

RenegadeMonster said:
The argument has always been if you restrict access to guns you only restrict access to law abiding citizens. Criminals will get their hands on guns illegally. Thus you take away the second amendment right to protect yourself with a gun who then can't defend themselves from the criminal with the illegally obtained gun.

The SCOTUS also appears on the verge to overturning any type of gun control that we as a country have been successful in passing. Assault rifle bands and clip capacity limits in blue states as well as conceal and carry laws, expect those to fall this term.
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Organised crime doesn’t tend to gets its weapons through official channels anyway. Gangs here are every bit as armed as yours are. But they also by in large tend to shoot each other. Not having every fucker be able to buy an AK47 with a pint of milk tends to help with normal people with problems not having a gun…
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The argument has always been if you restrict access to guns you only restrict access to law abiding citizens. Criminals will get their hands on guns illegally. Thus you take away the second amendment right to protect yourself with a gun who then can't defend themselves from the criminal with the illegally obtained gun.

The SCOTUS also appears on the verge to overturning any type of gun control that we as a country have been successful in passing. Assault rifle bands and clip capacity limits in blue states as well as conceal and carry laws, expect those to fall this term.
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That argument just doesn't stack up to any level of scrutiny though. Simply put where gun control is in place you have less chance of getting shot. Look at Japan, it's about 1 in a million chance of dying from a gun shot. In America you are a 1000 times more likely to die from a gun shot. Japan has many criminals, and they are pretty well known for their organised crime.

Just googling the second amendment & the right to bear arms seems to be in context of having a militia to secure the state. If you have armed forces & police forces, doesn't that cover it. I doubt the people draughting this were even thinking about individual rights. Surely the system you have is not what was intended.

'A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

If you need a militia, hand out the rifles. But why not have some gun control.

edit - I heard a Texas governor on the radio this morning, who actually said the gunman yesterday has worn dresses in the past & eye make up, as if this was more of a problem than having say access to assault rifles.
 
Tillman said:
Jesus Fucking Christ...I can't.

some people rather have more guns rather than less victims to the point they will act like these sickos would exhibit good decision making when shooting up a fucking elementary school.

how is this even a logical argument to make?
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I think there’s something to be said that this line of thinking revolves around putting yourself in the shoes of and empathizing with a potential mass murderer?

The basic reason to own a gun seems to be a lack of trust in others, often couched in a distrust of “the government.” Seems like if we really think our government and its citizens who we call our neighbors are so untrustworthy and dangerous, something needs to change.

I grew up with a very untrusting parent (I remember him once saying “paranoia is just a state of readiness”), and realizing that if this is the lens you choose for looking at the world, you’ll see that world in places it doesn’t exist, and eventually that world will find you very easily.
 
We rallied together as a country and fundamentally changed things when 12 terrorist crashed 3 planes into buildings and killed over 3,000 people. That was only 20 years ago. We can't even have a discussion on what to do about the continued gun violence that young men in this country perpetrate on others. How can you when one party puts their fingers in their ears and screams that it's the fault of everything else in the country than the guns themselves. I bet some went home on Tuesday and hugged their guns a little bit tighter since the dreaded gun control debate was going to return. Don't worry. We'll do nothing about this. It's the new American Way.
 
Bull Shannon said:
I think there’s something to be said that this line of thinking revolves around putting yourself in the shoes of and empathizing with a potential mass murderer?

The basic reason to own a gun seems to be a lack of trust in others, often couched in a distrust of “the government.” Seems like if we really think our government and its citizens who we call our neighbors are so untrustworthy and dangerous, something needs to change.

I grew up with a very untrusting parent (I remember him once saying “paranoia is just a state of readiness”), and realizing that if this is the lens you choose for looking at the world, you’ll see that world in places it doesn’t exist, and eventually that world will find you very easily.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that this sort of thinking is couched into any neoliberal/neoconservative platform. We have been taught that we should think of each family as it's own "business". Your family is in business to get resources to live, but if it's the case that every family is a business, then that means that I am in competition with my neighbor. We are both competing in this economic system to obtain resources for our families alone and thus, ultimately pitted against each other in the fight for limited resources. This way of thinking seemed reasonable to people who were looking at a way out of the inefficiency of a more socialist economy--many people were very unhappy with inflation due to workers unionizing and asking for more benefits. But it has been proven that the greatest things humanity has achieved have been done using cooperation, not competition and even more evidence that a brain working in competition actually has less productivity than a brain working in cooperation with others. So making us compete like businesses actually makes us stupider and more unhappy as a society.

When you couple a whole generation taught that society doesn't actually exist and the only people you are beholden to is your family along with rampant inequality, you have more people competing for less, and as more and more wealth drains from our communities, we will see more problems because we have focused so much on individual freedoms that we forgot to teach people how to work together.
 
The Garden Goblin said:
As a human living in this country, I am exhausted. I don’t really identify as an American because this country is so broken and I believe will continue to be broken long after I am gone. If there was a way for myself and my family to move, I’d do it tomorrow.
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I really like my job and I think it would be difficult to find an equivalent job in Canada (easy for the kids, ) or Spain (easy citizenship for me). I would love to just... pick up and go. Fuck this gun worshiping anti science death cult.
 
The Garden Goblin said:
As a human living in this country, I am exhausted. I don’t really identify as an American because this country is so broken and I believe will continue to be broken long after I am gone. If there was a way for myself and my family to move, I’d do it tomorrow.
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I have a fairly transferable skill, well highly assuming I can transition to metric dimensions. I've looked into moving a few times. Most places have no use for us and even then repatriating is a pretty involved process. The only city that seemed a real probability was London. Canada is often brought up but likely not by people who've actually researched the possibility.
 
yukbon said:
I really like my job and I think it would be difficult to find an equivalent job in Canada (easy for the kids, ) or Spain (easy citizenship for me). I would love to just... pick up and go. Fuck this gun worshiping anti science death cult.
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I’m currently not working but my wife has been with her job for 20 years. My family is either dead or not a factor but most of my wife’s family is here or in Utah. But that doesn’t stop me from nudging her from time to time to see if she could still keep her job while working out of the country because she works from home.
 
debianlinux said:
I have a fairly transferable skill, well highly assuming I can transition to metric dimensions. I've looked into moving a few times. Most places have no use for us and even then repatriating is a pretty involved process. The only city that seemed a real probability was London. Canada is often brought up but likely not by people who've actually researched the possibility.
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I have not done the research, but we know a few people who have moved and I know it’s not easy.
 
debianlinux said:
I have a fairly transferable skill, well highly assuming I can transition to metric dimensions. I've looked into moving a few times. Most places have no use for us and even then repatriating is a pretty involved process. The only city that seemed a real probability was London. Canada is often brought up but likely not by people who've actually researched the possibility.
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This is why I'm looking for my next husband overseas.
 
www.cnn.com

Senate Republicans block domestic terrorism prevention bill in key vote

Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a bill designed to combat domestic terrorism from advancing in a key vote. The vote comes as lawmakers are under intense pressure to take action in the wake of multiple recent episodes of horrific gun violence.
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Things will never change.

And I hate how republics are like democrats are out of line, and now's not the time to politicize guns.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
www.cnn.com

Senate Republicans block domestic terrorism prevention bill in key vote

Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a bill designed to combat domestic terrorism from advancing in a key vote. The vote comes as lawmakers are under intense pressure to take action in the wake of multiple recent episodes of horrific gun violence.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Things will never change.

And I hate how republics are like democrats are out of line, and now's not the time to politicize guns.
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Guns are already politicized and if not now, when tf?
 
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