Elon Musk has endorsed Ron DeSantis for a presidential run in 2024.
Do we think he is showing is true colors or is he just trolling.
Do we think he is showing is true colors or is he just trolling.
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Joe Mac
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Why not both?
Hemotep
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This whole thing is yikes, but seriously a lot of people need to leave Texas before it gets a lot worse. I just don't think democracy is strong enough to make that a fight worth having anymore. It's time to protect loved ones and leave these hate filled areas where they are literally trying to deny existence and usher in overt fascist authoritarianism. And Texas seceding is the least concerning thing here, accept of course that those who stay will lose federal protections and be in a really bad place unless they act before it's too late.
www.newsweek.com
Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum
The Texas GOP's platform calls for a referendum so Texans can vote on "whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."
www.newsweek.com
This Texas teen wanted an abortion. She now has twins. — The Washington Post
Brooke Alexander found out she was pregnant days before the abortion ban took effect.
apple.news
Joe Mac
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It’s also not entirely clear if most national, or even international law, even allows for or recognises secession in the vast majority of cases. That’s before you get to the reality of how would Texas enforce any theoretical secession if the federal state refused to recognise it.
Hemotep
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I used to agree with this take, but I don't anymore. For democracy to function people both need to negotiate in good faith and accept the results. The Republican party hasn't been willing to do that in years, and since Regan they've pulled the Democrats to a place of complete ineptitude. It took me spending the last decade researching modern political economies and the shifting behaviors and attitudes of Americans since WWII for me to start looking at the science without my desires of how I wish it was to distort my interpretation of the data.
Democratic means have failed and without making plans to safeguard the freedoms we've gained in the past 70 years, we'll lose those too. By all means exhaust those avenues until the end, but plan now for them to fall, don't wait until it's to late and the human cost is devastating. It'll be worse for those left behind if we don't plan to help them now. I'm not willing to go head first into another civil war. Instead, we need to offer relocation services for those marginalized folks who want to live in places where they will have rights. Economics should not be the driving factor. That's what leads to war.
And, again, precedent only matters in a functioning democracy, of which, America is no longer. Even conservative leaning publications and economic institutes have acknowledged in their research that America is no longer a fully functional democratic society.
Hemotep
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I'm not advocating for secession as a solution to the problem. I don't think it will end the wider spread culture war and issue of fascism in America, which goes way beyond Texas. What I'm saying is that I'm not willing to go to war with them to stop it, I don't think democratic means will solve the problem, and I think contingency plans to take care of the people most negatively effected need to be put into place. By not preparing for their willingness to cheat their way to power and enact violence on marginalized peoples, we are condemning them to live in a place that would see them as either second class citizens or as subhuman and our democratic institutions to the graveyard. This to me is the same logic as saying if you don't like things the way they are then go and vote. When we've been voting and things keep getting worse. We can no longer rely on the democratic institutions to save us in their current state because they have been dismantled and sabotaged by Republicans and head-in-the-sand Democrats. So what I'm saying is that it isn't enough and when one of the two major political parties is going all in on the narrative that they reject the results of elections, want to undo voting rights, and condemn as abnormal those in the LGBTQIA+ community, then there is no reasoning with them. There is no middle ground or negotiating, in a word, no democracy. So, in order to save what remains of it, it would be better without Texas. Federally the Republican's would probably never control the house, senate, or presidency again, and a progressive party could emerge that served as a real opposition to the corporate rule that we've been living under. Fascism doesn't emerge in a bubble. And the Democrats are guilty of making peoples lives worse too. People have to have good lives and hope in the future for them to live at peace, and that means doing things in a way that we provide a basic standard of living that secures a future for the planet and the next generations. Put that experiment to the test and I think the culture war will wither, but it's not possible with the current political climate and Republicans in power.
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More fuckery from PA.
Sally's posted this and then did a dirty delete. What a vile piece of! She is getting utterly dragged. It's glorious. Grab yer popcorn and head on over to Sally’s Valley BoysView attachment 142843
Facebook is full of garbage about Juneteenth being a holiday. For example, someone shared this screenshot on another form of what kind of replies they were seeing to a post about their city hall being closed for the holiday.
The holiday was also met with scenes like this across the country.
Police: Armed protestors asked to leave Juneteenth celebration
Police said one of the groups consisted of armed men with ballistic vests on.
www.wsmv.com
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Hemotep
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Analysis: This GOP Senate candidate just released a video calling for some Republicans to be hunted
On Sunday, Illinois Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger said he received a letter in the mail a few days ago that threatened to execute him, his wife and their newborn.
www.cnn.com
Joe Mac
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Hemotep
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Typing on the phone is hard with autocorrect.
Joe Mac
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Hahaha! It’s such a common mistake at this point that, without aiming it at you per se, it kinda needs correcting. I’ve seen people put succeed rather than secede in serious pieces at this stage
It isn’t my biggest pet peeve though, that’s people saying mute point rather than moot point, that one really pisses me off
Hemotep
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It bugs me too! And I've corrected both in so many papers. But I swear I can't write without typos in everything on my phone. The other common one that I see frequently is capitol vs capital...Hahaha! It’s such a common mistake at this point that, without aiming it at you per se, it kinda needs correcting. I’ve seen people put succeed rather than secede in serious pieces at this stage
It isn’t my biggest pet peeve though, that’s people saying mute point rather than moot point, that one really pisses me off
Joe Mac
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The one that makes me laugh was when I was training to be a barrister a lot of my fellow students referred to their future role as council rather than counsel…
Perhaps they just wanted run a municipality, who knows…
Joe Mac
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On another point I think capitol is only present in American English, I don’t think that’s a word we use in our English. You use it to refer to Parliament, in terms of the chamber/building, as opposed to the gathering if I understand correctly?
Hemotep
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Interesting! I didn't know that.
Is it a case of color vs colour or center vs centre? Or do the words have different meanings.
Hemotep
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In American English, it's the building that governments meet in to conduct official state/federal business, or capitalized it's specifically the building in DC. Opposed to the capitalization of a letter or the economic coagulation of value.
Might be other uses I'm not remembering?
Since I'm a political economist they both get used in papers I assign frequently and by students often incorrectly.
Joe Mac
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No we have capital the same as you do. In that it can be used in terms of primary such as a capital city/letter or alternatively money. Capitol, if I understand it refers to the buildings in which your chambers sit. We don’t use that word at all, our chambers would be in Houses of Parliament.
Capital I thought was a city the government resides in? So Capitol refers to the the building. Interesting.