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Nate Silver is kind of a chode, but I agree with him here. That interview did nothing to make Biden seem capable still.
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Nate Silver calls for Biden to resign after ‘incoherent’ comments in ABC interview

Pollster Nate Silver, the founder of ABC’s FiveThirtyEight, called for President Biden to withdraw from the 2024 White House race after making “incoherent comments” in his first postdebate interview Friday. Earlier Friday, Silver wrote a column about whether a model could appropriately determine...
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Hemotep said:
Nate Silver is kind of a chode, but I agree with him here. That interview did nothing to make Biden seem capable still.
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Nate Silver calls for Biden to resign after ‘incoherent’ comments in ABC interview

Pollster Nate Silver, the founder of ABC’s FiveThirtyEight, called for President Biden to withdraw from the 2024 White House race after making “incoherent comments” in his first postdebate interview Friday. Earlier Friday, Silver wrote a column about whether a model could appropriately determine...
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Can't believe his aides are claiming it was a success... it was just a bunch of stubborn entitled egotism.
 
MyWifeHatesTrain said:
We’re all microexamining everything Biden does… meanwhile the fucking orangutan is saying he doesn’t know anything about Project 2025…
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The best part is when his supporters say “nothing to see here, Trump doesn’t know or support this Project 2025 thing” as if the man isn’t a compulsive liar. TBH, I think it’s partially true in that I am sure he hasn’t much looked into it himself. I am completely certain that the people he picks to actually run the government while he plays golf and enriches himself and his friends will know exactly what it is and will know what it is and he’ll sign off on it since he doesn’t really give a shit.
 
MyWifeHatesTrain said:
We’re all microexamining everything Biden does… meanwhile the fucking orangutan is saying he doesn’t know anything about Project 2025…
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And the willing accomplices in the media will do exactly that which is why Biden needs to leave. The narrative will remain that he is unfit. Never mind that we certainly know Trump is unfit. I know Kamala is most likely to lose but I would rather put her up there and take the chance than go with a prospect that we know will lose in his present status. You also take away the one huge drawback while simultaneously drawing attention to the opponent, old age of the candidate. Middle America and independents can't use age as a reason to not vote with Kamala.
 
mdmost said:
And the willing accomplices in the media will do exactly that which is why Biden needs to leave. The narrative will remain that he is unfit. Never mind that we certainly know Trump is unfit. I know Kamala is most likely to lose but I would rather put her up there and take the chance than go with a prospect that we know will lose in his present status. You also take away the one huge drawback while simultaneously drawing attention to the opponent, old age of the candidate. Middle America and independents can't use age as a reason to not vote with Kamala.
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As much as I'd like to see Whitmer get the bump, passing over the first black Veep would be another resounding failure for the Dems that would alienate the shit out a lot of black voters. But Harris/Whitmer will lose all the misogynists. The whole situation really feels like a lose/lose.
 
avecigrec said:
As much as I'd like to see Whitmer get the bump, passing over the first black Veep would be another resounding failure for the Dems that would alienate the shit out a lot of black voters. But Harris/Whitmer will lose all the misogynists. The whole situation really feels like a lose/lose.
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Agree and agree. But then I see dumb shit like Michelle Obama would beat Trump and it makes me question is it only certain women we're misogynistic as a nation about? I think Harris with a rust belt governor like Shapiro out of PA would be a good team.
 
avecigrec said:
As much as I'd like to see Whitmer get the bump, passing over the first black Veep would be another resounding failure for the Dems that would alienate the shit out a lot of black voters. But Harris/Whitmer will lose all the misogynists. The whole situation really feels like a lose/lose.
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Still don't agree with this take. Her recent poll numbers are still abysmal and she's still not even as popular as Biden is with Black voters. I'm all for nominating a Black woman, but identity politics aren't going to make her more popular with Black voters. Race isn't the only thing and I do think it's kind of insulting to think Black voters will only prioritize that. Imagine if Kanye was nominated. He's certainly get some of the Black vote, but he'd also get a ton of Black folks talking about how he's a shit bag and not someone they'd vote for.
 
Hemotep said:
Still don't agree with this take. Her recent poll numbers are still abysmal and she's still not even as popular as Biden is with Black voters. I'm all for nominating a Black woman, but identity politics aren't going to make her more popular with Black voters. Race isn't the only thing and I do think it's kind of insulting to think Black voters will only prioritize that. Imagine if Kanye was nominated. He's certainly get some of the Black vote, but he'd also get a ton of Black folks talking about how he's a shit bag and not someone they'd vote for.
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You're not just nominating a black woman to be the candidate. You're nominating the Vice President/President if Biden resigns. I'm convinced part of why people will vote for Trump again even if they think he's a shitbag is that he was President before. The continuity of office is a big thing to people. It's probably why W got a 2nd term when the war in Iraq was going on. People are fairly simple creatures. They want to go to work, watch their kids grow, and be left alone. Kamala gives you the stability of being in the office that Whitmer and other Democrats don't. The fear of Biden's old age in those people is understandable. Kamala doesn't have that. And again, you change the narrative to why Trump cannot be allowed back in office. And you hammer that over and over until November.
 
mdmost said:
You're not just nominating a black woman to be the candidate. You're nominating the Vice President/President if Biden resigns. I'm convinced part of why people will vote for Trump again even if they think he's a shitbag is that he was President before. The continuity of office is a big thing to people. It's probably why W got a 2nd term when the war in Iraq was going on. People are fairly simple creatures. They want to go to work, watch their kids grow, and be left alone. Kamala gives you the stability of being in the office that Whitmer and other Democrats don't. The fear of Biden's old age in those people is understandable. Kamala doesn't have that. And again, you change the narrative to why Trump cannot be allowed back in office. And you hammer that over and over until November.
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That is a much different argument than saying that Black folks will think she got passed over and be pissed about it.
 
If most Biden supports are really just anti-Trump and a big chunk of “undecided” voter hate both candidates. Then it seems like the best idea would be:

Have Biden announce that after consulting with his family and his doctors, he will not seek reelection,

Throw his full throated support behind a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. Both from his current administration, they can claim credit from the good things while highlighting things that they will change

I understand that both Kamala and Pete have their issues but their pros (Not Trump + Not Geriatric) will outweigh those negatives in this election.

They can unleash Buttigieg. As much as he’s a McKinsey corporatist at his core, he is also quick-witted and smarter than practically any other politician. He would make an excellent attack dog,

If/when Kamala gets elected Biden’s legacy would be that he successfully kept the MAGA hordes at bay and selflessly put the country before himself while ushering in the first female POTUS.

Plus he could pardon Hunter on his way out and that whole thing can be done with.
 
mdmost said:
You're not just nominating a black woman to be the candidate. You're nominating the Vice President/President if Biden resigns. I'm convinced part of why people will vote for Trump again even if they think he's a shitbag is that he was President before. The continuity of office is a big thing to people. It's probably why W got a 2nd term when the war in Iraq was going on. People are fairly simple creatures. They want to go to work, watch their kids grow, and be left alone. Kamala gives you the stability of being in the office that Whitmer and other Democrats don't. The fear of Biden's old age in those people is understandable. Kamala doesn't have that. And again, you change the narrative to why Trump cannot be allowed back in office. And you hammer that over and over until November.
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And there's absolutely no way in hell Biden would resign as president early even if he does drop out. He'd have to die for that to happen. But as he said in the interview last night, it would take God coming down and telling him to drop out and he doesn't see that happening.
 
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