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MyWifeHatesTrain said:
Summary of speech…

I almost died. We got some work to do. Rambles incoherently for about a damn hour.

What a fucking madman. Shit was hard to follow, unhinged and nutty. He said in conclusion like 20 minutes before he finished his damn speech.

Poor fact checkers….
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You watched that shit? I literally just can’t. I did not watch a single minute of the RNC. It would not be helpful to my blood pressure or wellbeing I know that.
 
Ghost said:
I've seen one too many obliterated children dead in the streets of Palestine by Biden authorized artillery to want to rush to give anyone my vote.
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You live in NYC. Not sure which district but while your vote wouldn’t really matter for the POTUS. It very well could matter for the NYC house delegation depending. There are usually many down ballot races, propositions, levy’s, etc. that likely effect you.

If you lived in a swing state, I would point out that not voting at all is akin to voting for Trump. Last election the difference was less than 44,000 votes and had Trump won thing in Israel would be much much worse. Trump has mused while rambling at rallies about deporting Gaza protestors.
 
Ghost said:
I've seen one too many obliterated children dead in the streets of Palestine by Biden authorized artillery to want to rush to give anyone my vote.
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You enjoy watching 20 million people who are here just living their lives and try to earn a living, raise their kids, and be productive members of society get rounded up and deported? Oh and all those refugees we tend to take in, that's most likely over. Muslims trying to come to our country, that's over as well.

It's as if Covid made people forget just how big of a shitbag Trump was.
 
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Sorry but I feel like I need to jump on a soap box for a second. I don't find it very productive to attack those who are generally on the same side as you politically for having moral concerns about a candidate. This happened with Hillary when everyone was trying to blame Bernie supporters for her loss. It's not productive and there are better ways to acknowledge a candidates flaws and appeal to people than by falling back on false equivalences and bullying.

Shame is a poor motivator even when you have righteous anger. No one ever got more religious willingly from their parents threatening them with hell. And no depressed person ever felt better when they were reminded that their suffering isn't as bad as a starving child.

Two things can be bad at the same time. Convincing people doesn't work if your tool is a hammer you use to hit them on the head. They'll always resent you and eventually they be against you. As someone who has a tendency to want to cut off my nose to spite my face, I would ask everyone to keep this in mind. We all have more in common with Trump voters and non-voters than the politicians who are trying to get our vote. They use division, we need to use kindness and understanding. Common ground is where we build the bridges we need.
 
Hemotep said:
Sorry but I feel like I need to jump on a soap box for a second. I don't find it very productive to attack those who are generally on the same side as you politically for having moral concerns about a candidate. This happened with Hillary when everyone was trying to blame Bernie supporters for her loss. It's not productive and there are better ways to acknowledge a candidates flaws and appeal to people than by falling back on false equivalences and bullying.

Shame is a poor motivator even when you have righteous anger. No one ever got more religious willingly from their parents threatening them with hell. And no depressed person ever felt better when they were reminded that their suffering isn't as bad as a starving child.

Two things can be bad at the same time. Convincing people doesn't work if your tool is a hammer you use to hit them on the head. They'll always resent you and eventually they be against you. As someone who has a tendency to want to cut off my nose to spite my face, I would ask everyone to keep this in mind. We all have more in common with Trump voters and non-voters than the politicians who are trying to get our vote. They use division, we need to use kindness and understanding. Common ground is where we build the bridges we need.
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I agree though I don’t think anyone here was necessarily shaming him. Regardless, if my reply came off as shaming Ghost then I sincerely apologize. I just wanted to provide some additional insight into why voting may still be beneficial for him and I also wanted to include information on why voting for the Democratic Candidate was important specifically for the reasons he was citing as why he was wavering on voting for Biden. That portion was more for anyone who may share his sentiment but also reside in a swing state.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
I agree though I don’t think anyone here was necessarily shaming him. Regardless, if my reply came off as shaming Ghost then I sincerely apologize. I just wanted to provide some additional insight into why voting may still be beneficial for him and I also wanted to include information on why voting for the Democratic Candidate was important specifically for the reasons he was citing as why he was wavering on voting for Biden. That portion was more for anyone who may share his sentiment but also reside in a swing state.
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No and I think you raised some really important points. Just in general there can be a lot of heat coming at folks who aren't enthused, so it was more meant as a gentle reminder to not let our emotions get the better of us when there are some moral conundrums some of us are struggling with. The stakes are certainly higher than they've ever been in our lifetime regardless.
 
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Four Democrats outpace Biden by 5 points against Trump in key states

Four prominent Democrats would perform significantly better than President Biden in key swing states if they replaced him as the party’s presumptive nominee, according to a memo from a Democratic-funded polling group. The BlueLabs draft memo, first acquired by Politico, found that “nearly every...
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The memo singled out four Democrats who bested Biden’s results by roughly 5 points overall across the battleground states: Sen. Mark Kelly (Ariz.), Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
 
Hemotep said:
Sorry but I feel like I need to jump on a soap box for a second. I don't find it very productive to attack those who are generally on the same side as you politically for having moral concerns about a candidate. This happened with Hillary when everyone was trying to blame Bernie supporters for her loss. It's not productive and there are better ways to acknowledge a candidates flaws and appeal to people than by falling back on false equivalences and bullying.

Shame is a poor motivator even when you have righteous anger. No one ever got more religious willingly from their parents threatening them with hell. And no depressed person ever felt better when they were reminded that their suffering isn't as bad as a starving child.

Two things can be bad at the same time. Convincing people doesn't work if your tool is a hammer you use to hit them on the head. They'll always resent you and eventually they be against you. As someone who has a tendency to want to cut off my nose to spite my face, I would ask everyone to keep this in mind. We all have more in common with Trump voters and non-voters than the politicians who are trying to get our vote. They use division, we need to use kindness and understanding. Common ground is where we build the bridges we need.
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I appreciate you putting this out there. I immediately felt anxiety at some of the responses and did not feel like going on the defensive this morning. Thanks for taking the time to speak up.

For what it's worth, @TenderLovingKiller® you brought up some great points that I had no awareness of, so I thank you for taking time to respond in a constructive and helpful way. That gives me some things to think about. I did not feel shame from your comment.

Some of the other comments made in response were not so helpful but I understand where they're coming from. We're all beyond frustrated and even a bit scared of what comes next, I get that.
 
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