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mdmost said:
Man, I remember back in the mid 2010s when Republicans would lament how much people loved Obama and how there was a "cult of Obama" that liberals would follow. Now look at them. And for this fucking guy.
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Absolutely. I often look on from the outside. And just don’t get how this man is popular.
Going back to basics, Trump is a terrible terrible example of a good Human. He is the absolute opposite. You name it and it’s all valid.
corrupt, arrogant, entitled, spoiled, hateful, egoistical, self-centered, mentally ill, unhinged, nihilistic, self-serving, selfish, chaotic, childish, deplorable, sexist, racist, , poisonous, odious, toxic, evil, probably stupid.

These are a few of the words that I think best describes him. And yet he could get voted (again) as your president. What are people seeing ? I’m thoroughly bewildered!
 
Fascinating and long twitter thread about polling. It's a pain in the ass to read on twitter, so I've linked threadreader to make it easier

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@fuller_sean: 🧵 1/14 It is very important that as many people see this post as possible. It’s time to kill the media narratives at this point, especially since certain members of Congress have jumped on the...…
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ayayrawn said:
This is where I've been at. Two genocidal scumbags on one ballot is two too many.
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OMC said:
One of them won't be on the ballot when it comes time to vote. I hope.
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This is -- to my mind, and i do not mean this as a directed attack or criticism -- mostly wishful thinking. Meaning: you would like there to be a vote that isn't for genocide. Me too, but we're not getting that.

Whoever is on the ballot against trump is going to be an Israeli ally. The official position of the United States is we're an ally to the state of Israel.

Unofficially, US state policy:

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Look, no one likes war crimes. Even the people who don't give a fuck about Palestine and genocide don't like 'em because they make it hard politically and you get a bunch of shit and critics and whatever. That said, whoever gets elected -- Trump, Biden, Harris, Michelle Obama, literally anyone -- is going to be on the hook and have to support Israel. We've been doing it since 1948, we're not going to stop now just because a bunch of dead Palestinians. That sounds terrible, because it is terrible, but it remains true. Shit, Israel attacked a US ship and we caught them doing it while they were doing it and we still support them. Ain't no party like a pro-israel party cause a pro-israel party don't stop.

So: abstaining your vote because "Biden is stinky, because genocide" is perhaps morally correct, but real talk: all it does is help Republicans and Trump. Even if your state is one that Biden will win no matter what, all the downstream races for congress, for judges, for local politics, all that bullshit, needs your vote for non-republican. "I can't vote for him because of the Palestinian genocide" -- I mean, yeah, I hate genocide and dead kids too, but I'm hearing you say "I can't vote for Biden so I will instead let Trump do the Palestinian genocide and also fuck over non white non-cishet Americans also"

That's it, those are the shitty options. And not participating means you're defacto helping the shittier option succeed.

geriatric politician who supports israel​

vs

geriatric dictator wannabe who supports israel, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-woman​
anti-social-justice, anti-lgbt, anti-choice, anti-POC, anti-anyone-who's-not-already-rich agenda.​

that's it, those are the players. yes the democratic party sucks. no it is not fair. I agree with you and i also despair at seeing images of palestine and those poor people.
 
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threesunrises said:
Fascinating and long twitter thread about polling. It's a pain in the ass to read on twitter, so I've linked threadreader to make it easier

threadreaderapp.com

Thread by @fuller_sean on Thread Reader App

@fuller_sean: 🧵 1/14 It is very important that as many people see this post as possible. It’s time to kill the media narratives at this point, especially since certain members of Congress have jumped on the...…
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This is the type of conspiracy shit that makes me happy I am no longer on Twitter.

Some guy has figured it out; the evil CEOs of CNN and Disney are manipulating polling in an attempt to get the Dems to turn there back on Biden; who was well on his way to reelection, so Biden will step aside clearing a path for a weaker candidate that Trump can then defeat.

Also, the earth is flat and we didn’t land on the moon.

Seriously, polls are unreliable. Pollster have not figured out how to calabrate polls properly. The death of landlines and the rise of call screening has made their job much more difficult resulting in skewed results. This is not a conspiracy. This is just bad data.

I feel that polling is likely off, I feel that Biden could still win reelection at this point.

Also, Biden is old. His age worries voters. He has not done anything alleviate those worries.

it’s very possible that Biden could win reelection it’s also possible that, if he steps down someone younger could fill the void and still beat Trump.

No evil media controlling Jews conspiracies needed.
 
Zaslav can’t even create a streaming app with UI that recognizes when I have finished streaming the latest episode of House Of The Dragon, and we think he’s masterminding a vast right wing polling conspiracy?

Seriously, I watch every episode to the very fucking end and every time I go to start the next episode they ask me if I wanna pick back up where I left off from the previous episode, which is always like the last minute or two of credits. Then they pepper me with emails about how I can “finish the story”. Bro, I finished it. I why can’t the Max app recognize that the episode is watched?
 
yukbon said:
This is -- to my mind, and i do not mean this as a directed attack or criticism -- mostly wishful thinking. Meaning: you would like there to be a vote that isn't for genocide. Me too, but we're not getting that.

Whoever is on the ballot against trump is going to be an Israeli ally. The official position of the United States is we're an ally to the state of Israel.

Unofficially, US state policy:

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Look, no one likes war crimes. Even the people who don't give a fuck about Palestine and genocide don't like 'em because they make it hard politically and you get a bunch of shit and critics and whatever. That said, whoever gets elected -- Trump, Biden, Harris, Michelle Obama, literally anyone -- is going to be on the hook and have to support Israel. We've been doing it since 1948, we're not going to stop now just because a bunch of dead Palestinians. That sounds terrible, because it is terrible, but it remains true. Shit, Israel attacked a US ship and we caught them doing it while they were doing it and we still support them. Ain't no party like a pro-israel party cause a pro-israel party don't stop.

So: abstaining your vote because "Biden is stinky, because genocide" is perhaps morally correct, but real talk: all it does is help Republicans and Trump. Even if your state is one that Biden will win no matter what, all the downstream races for congress, for judges, for local politics, all that bullshit, needs your vote for non-republican. "I can't vote for him because of the Palestinian genocide" -- I mean, yeah, I hate genocide and dead kids too, but I'm hearing you say "I can't vote for Biden so I will instead let Trump do the Palestinian genocide and also fuck over non white non-cishet Americans also"

That's it, those are the shitty options. And not participating means you're defacto helping the shittier option succeed.

​
geriatric politician who supports israel​


vs
​
geriatric dictator wannabe who supports israel, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-woman​
anti-social-justice, anti-lgbt, anti-choice, anti-POC, anti-anyone-who's-not-already-rich agenda.​


that's it, those are the players. yes the democratic party sucks. no it is not fair. I agree with you and i also despair at seeing images of palestine and those poor people.
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Appreciate the effort to say this, but even then I think "geriatric old man who supports israel" is still giving him and the party too much credit.

My state is going 40+ points Trump anyway, and with the winner take all system we have my presidential vote does not matter. Will still be showing up to do something about locals, of course, but federal is a lost cause.

yukbon said:
also the whole reason israel is coming down on palestine so fucking hard is directly trump's personal fault. letting that fuck win is like rewarding the corrupt behaviour the allowed to genocide!
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This is just not true though.
 
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