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yukbon said:
Trump gives info on Israel's Iron Curtain and how-to bypass it to Russia, Russia passes it to Iran, Iran passes it Hamas, which promptly uses it, thereby provoking Israel's response. This is my understanding, is this inaccurate?
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Israel has been terrorizing the region since the 40s, and Hamas has been a convenient tool for Israel since the 80s. There are countless massacres that took place in Palestine before Trump even sniffed power. Israel had intel on 10/7, but ignored it because Netanyahu needs immediate mass conflict to stay out of prison, shich has nothing to do with him. He may poke the bear, but the bear has already been around and foaming at the mouth for decades.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Over the last couple days, I have seen multiple people on social media refer to California as "Commiefornia".

There seems to be a lot of hate directed at California. Especially after Elon is pulling X and Space X out.
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I would imagine this falls into two camps: people who've never been to California and people who've been to California and only experienced LA so that taints their view. California is f'ing great. I would move there in an instant if it worked out financially. There's probably a 3rd camp that will just suck at Elon's teet regardless of how they feel about California.
 
mdmost said:
I would imagine this falls into two camps: people who've never been to California and people who've been to California and only experienced LA so that taints their view. California is f'ing great. I would move there in an instant if it worked out financially. There's probably a 3rd camp that will just suck at Elon's teet regardless of how they feel about California.
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California has the 5th largest economy in the world. Most states that want bail from the US would crumble almost immediately. Cali could leave and barely skip a beat.
 
ayayrawn said:
Israel has been terrorizing the region since the 40s, and Hamas has been a convenient tool for Israel since the 80s. There are countless massacres that took place in Palestine before Trump even sniffed power. Israel had intel on 10/7, but ignored it because Netanyahu needs immediate mass conflict to stay out of prison, shich has nothing to do with him. He may poke the bear, but the bear has already been around and foaming at the mouth for decades.
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Indymisanthrope said:
Proximate causes (intelligence failures allowing 10/7) vs root causes (decades of foreign policy that created the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist).
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both of these are true and accurate -- and nothing here exists in isolation, fair enough -- but I feel that trump's involvement here is a catalyzing factor; the historical reasons and background were there and dorman before him, and it was only his involvement (likely due to russian manipulation, because trump is a tool and has the political grace of dancing bear) that allowed the other factors to push forward. israel being dicks in the region? oh yeah man, israel's gonna israel. netanyahu using death and destruction for his personal power play? that's like that dude's middle name, i think he might actually have it on his business cards. hamas being primed to attack israel? I mean a) tehy're not alone in this and b) this is not a secret: israel has enmity and built ill-will both earned and unearned just laying around for it to stub it's toes on.
 
mdmost said:
In a perfect world, Mayor Pete is the nominee because he can adequately state the case for why Trump is awful for this country. But we're a nation of bigots (even within the Democratic Party) who can't have a gay man be the leader of the free world.


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Probably setting him up as VP. Honestly a good play despite feelings towards him around here.

Answer the party of anti-other with a pretty neat other ticket.
 
MyWifeHatesTrain said:
Probably setting him up as VP. Honestly a good play despite feelings towards him around here.

Answer the party of anti-other with a pretty neat other ticket.
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Pete’s an excellent politician. His background with MnKinsey, understandably, gives the far Left pause and his charisma seems to be completely lost on most black Dems thus far but we is whip-smart and would do well with middle America.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Pete’s an excellent politician. His background with MnKinsey, understandably, gives the far Left pause and his charisma seems to be completely lost on most black Dems thus far but we is whip-smart and would do well with middle America.
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It's not just that, lest anyone forget that when he had zero Black support and his local Black constituents talked about how he lied to them and told them that they didn't know what was best for their neighborhoods, rather than trying to connect his campaign did this:

"Dogged by criticisms over his relationship to black communities in South Bend, he has struggled to attract any black support at all. His solution to this has been creative — disruptive, even. Some candidates would attempt talking to black voters, or even creating a better platform that might appeal to the middle and working classes to which most black voters belong. But these strategies are for plebes. Mayor Pete took the far more edgy strategy of simply making stuff up. As Ryan Grim reported in the Intercept, Buttigieg’s campaign recently published a list of South Carolinian “supporters” of his “Douglass Plan” for the “Empowerment of Black America.” But some of the prominent black leaders on it were not in fact supporters of Mayor Pete or even of his plan, nor had they agreed to join such a list."

Then without winning Iowa he announced that he won it and made a backroom deal with Obama to drop out even though he had received more votes and Biden hadn't won anything yet. He was opposed to Medicare for all, lowering college costs, and supported policies that led to mass layoffs and exploiting Afghanistan.

If that's the future of the Democratic party then we might as well just give up and let Big oil burn the rest of the planet and turn us into slaves.
 
Hemotep said:
It's not just that, lest anyone forget that when he had zero Black support and his local Black constituents talked about how he lied to them and told them that they didn't know what was best for their neighborhoods, rather than trying to connect his campaign did this:

"Dogged by criticisms over his relationship to black communities in South Bend, he has struggled to attract any black support at all. His solution to this has been creative — disruptive, even. Some candidates would attempt talking to black voters, or even creating a better platform that might appeal to the middle and working classes to which most black voters belong. But these strategies are for plebes. Mayor Pete took the far more edgy strategy of simply making stuff up. As Ryan Grim reported in the Intercept, Buttigieg’s campaign recently published a list of South Carolinian “supporters” of his “Douglass Plan” for the “Empowerment of Black America.” But some of the prominent black leaders on it were not in fact supporters of Mayor Pete or even of his plan, nor had they agreed to join such a list."

Then without winning Iowa he announced that he won it and made a backroom deal with Obama to drop out even though he had received more votes and Biden hadn't won anything yet. He was opposed to Medicare for all, lowering college costs, and supported policies that led to mass layoffs and exploiting Afghanistan.

If that's the future of the Democratic party then we might as well just give up and let Big oil burn the rest of the planet and turn us into slaves.
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Yea, not a fan. Not only just another corporate neolib, but a young one that obviously knows better.
 
Hemotep said:
It's not just that, lest anyone forget that when he had zero Black support and his local Black constituents talked about how he lied to them and told them that they didn't know what was best for their neighborhoods, rather than trying to connect his campaign did this:

"Dogged by criticisms over his relationship to black communities in South Bend, he has struggled to attract any black support at all. His solution to this has been creative — disruptive, even. Some candidates would attempt talking to black voters, or even creating a better platform that might appeal to the middle and working classes to which most black voters belong. But these strategies are for plebes. Mayor Pete took the far more edgy strategy of simply making stuff up. As Ryan Grim reported in the Intercept, Buttigieg’s campaign recently published a list of South Carolinian “supporters” of his “Douglass Plan” for the “Empowerment of Black America.” But some of the prominent black leaders on it were not in fact supporters of Mayor Pete or even of his plan, nor had they agreed to join such a list."

Then without winning Iowa he announced that he won it and made a backroom deal with Obama to drop out even though he had received more votes and Biden hadn't won anything yet. He was opposed to Medicare for all, lowering college costs, and supported policies that led to mass layoffs and exploiting Afghanistan.
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So, the Far Left doesn’t like him and he lacks the support of Black People.
Hemotep said:
If that's the future of the Democratic party then we might as well just give up and let Big oil burn the rest of the planet and turn us into slaves.
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Right or Left our country is heading down this path regardless. The only major difference is how quick we get there.
 
The first thing that comes to mind about Buttigieg is how, the day before super Tuesday in 2020, he (and Klobuchar) dropped out to guarantee Biden the nomination, in exchange for a cabinet position. He was referred to by all of my friends and I think a lot of folks my age as "The Rat" or "Mayor Rat" after that.
 
ayayrawn said:
The first thing that comes to mind about Buttigieg is how, the day before super Tuesday in 2020, he (and Klobuchar) dropped out to guarantee Biden the nomination, in exchange for a cabinet position. He was referred to by all of my friends and I think a lot of folks my age as "The Rat" or "Mayor Rat" after that.
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Again, The Far Left hates him. The Far Left hates every person elected president pretty much ever. They almost liked Obama until he was elected president then they felt bamboozled. They likely would have felt betrayed by Bernie too. The same “deep state” that stopped Trump from destroying democracy would also prevent AOC or Bernie or whoever passes the purity test from enacting socialist liberal agenda.

Bernie and AOC have thus far supported Biden staying in the race, which is probably ruffling some feathers on the left too. They think that Biden is more a candidate of the people where as anyone that would replace him would be a puppet of the donor class.
 
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It's just sad to me that the only three candidates in the Democratic primary who were less progressive than Biden are the two that got positions in his administration and Klobuchar. Even Hillary was more progressive than they are and she was a Republican who worked for Walmart. The party has done so much to make sure that progressive politics can't get an instructional foothold. I hardly think this is the "Far Left." The Dems are not a left party and there is no far left in America. They are a center right party and calling them the left is just playing into the Republican narrative, like saying Biden is a communist. Bernie and the Squad are barely left of center in a global political calculus.
 
Hemotep said:
It's just sad to me that the only three candidates in the Democratic primary who were less progressive than Biden are the two that got positions in his administration and Klobuchar. Even Hillary was more progressive than they are and she was a Republican who worked for Walmart. The party has done so much to make sure that progressive politics can't get an instructional foothold. I hardly think this is the "Far Left." The Dems are not a left party and there is no far left in America. They are a center right party and calling them the left is just playing into the Republican narrative, like saying Biden is a communist. Bernie and the Squad are barely left of center in a global political calculus.
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I made a point to refer to the Far Left. I don’t confuse the Far Left with Democratic Party. Most of the Far Left hate both parties, some go so far around the bend, like Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, that they actively work with MAGA and the GOP to take down the Democrats because they feel like the Dems dishonesty is worse than the out in the open bullshit policies that the GOP actively seeks to enact.

The Dems are not a Far Left party but in the two party system that everyone hates, there are only two options, as such the far left will either vote for the Democrats or not vote at all. The Far Left is part of the Democratic Coalition but their chosen candidates rarely win and are rarely happy with the results.
 
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